On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 09:01:45PM +0100, Sonja Krause-Harder wrote:
On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 02:19:16PM +0100, Christoph Thiel wrote:
Meanwhile it would be great to get some more opinions / comments on this topic!
And also suggestions which areas you - anyone of you - would like to have some influence in. I've heard the following two most often, I think:
- your (possibility for) involvement in the packaging tools and build infrastructure, which we will change to the better, but not immediately, and not next week.
What would definitely help to settle the dust would be if those working on some improvements everybody is talking about and nobody knows about show or at least tell how far they are up to now. For example if they are working on a tool they could put it somewhere that others could look into it even when it is not usable at all yet. Otherwise from an outside point of view you get more and more the impression that everything might just be one big marketing show with no real background. Don't consider this an offense. I don't want to say that this is the case but people that have some experience with software development companies are likely to have that feeling.
What else is there? Don't hold back things you think are unlikely to be opened up anyway.
Information, information and uhm... information. If you hear the sentence "this is discussed internally" after proposing an idea is not really motivating. If something is actually discussed internally that I proposed I am not interested in the fact that people discuss about that internally but what they think about it and what are the problems that hindered them until now to do it that way. Maybe I had a solution for that problem but if nobody tells me about what the problem is, I cannot propose a solution. I once asked about information on how the BuildRequires are calculated from #neededforbuild. One of your colleagues told me then that this is done in a file that is part of Autobuild which is a top secret project. Actually this was before openSUSE. I asked then that I don't want Autobuild but only the information how the rules for the calculation are. I didn't succeed. When I told another colleague about the fact that I consider such things a problem, this colleague told me that there is actually nothing secret with Autobuild. So what? Is this now secret stuff and some people are just lying about that fact? And what is so secret about how you calculate the dependency information? Or is this not secret stuff? But why is such information then not provided? Actually the project should somehow be moved outside the Novell "confidential firewall". --- I understand that there is confidential information within Novell but this should not cover stuff that is essential for the _open_SUSE project. Robert -- Robert Schiele Tel.: +49-621-181-2214 Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:rschiele@uni-mannheim.de