Spent a couple days downloading and compiling. Having some experience compiling GTK apps, I knew a lot of the pitfalls and error solutions, so it all went fairly smoothly, except for locating a few libraries. I've never really liked gnome much. It looked too busy, cheesy, like a toy. This time it's different. Nice clean look. Much more spartan for the initial setup, though I suppose one could get back to the cheesy look if they tried. It's very simple to add menu and taskbar items. Apps seem to run really fast. The only but so far is that the menu adder, icon chooser doesn't show icons, so I have to browse to the icon file instead of selecting it from an icon view. I suppose that could be something I installed wrong. I do have compiling notes if anyone wants to attempt it. -- Jim Sabatke Hire Me!! - See my resume at http://my.execpc.com/~jsabatke Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. NOTE: Please do not email me any attachments with Microsoft extensions. They are deleted on my ISP's server before I ever see them, and no bounce message is sent.