Oh hey - one other thing. If you choose to use 3.2.3 from supplementary, many of the .desktop files are broken. Well not broken but they have "category" lines that are invalid (i.e. not in /etc/xdg/applications.menu). For example, X-SuSE-WebBrowser. Doesn't make to much difference, they will just end up in a "more programs" submenu. For the example above, Internet-->More Programs-->Konquer You can either hand edit them yourself or just rearrange them using kmenuedit for each user. If you hand edit them, just remove X-SuSE- to read WebBrowser for my example above. Haven't tried using the .desktop files from stock SuSE yet... Not sure if that would be easier than finding all the ones with bad X- categories. Keith -----Original Message----- From: Burgess, Keith Very broken indeed. Happened after the kdebase/libs updates via YOU. The stock KDE that shipped on the CDs works fine. I looked into the src but there is a gazillion diffs applied in the security update version of KDE on YOU. I sent a personal note to the maintainer at SuSE but was told it wouldn't be fixed until 9.2 which was a bit disturbing (that a security update broke kmenuedit functionality). I sincerely hope they revisit that plan.... He also mentioned that 3.3 packages would be available and that it was easier to fix menu editing there. I asked for clarification if that meant 3.3 would be available on YOU or supplementary but didn't get a reply (sigh). You can upgrade to the 3.2.3 version available on the supplementary site and your menu editing will be restored. Wack those files in ~/.config and ~/.local before you do. There's a bunch of posts on these lists detailing how to configure the new installation source in YaST to-do install from supplementary. Good luck! P.S. If SuSE is watching it would be nice to have some clarification on the above. Keith