The xine player is also giving me headaches... it just nicely gets loaded, allows me to make a dialog box selection, then crashes the display server, apparently. Output from var/log/messages: Jun 19 11:52:05 yoga02 kdm[1430]: Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly Jun 19 11:52:18 yoga02 kdm[1591]: pam_unix2: session finished for user yogi, service xdm Jun 19 11:52:20 yoga02 resmgr[1393]: accepted connection from user root Jun 19 11:52:20 yoga02 resmgr[1393]: disconnect from root Jun 19 11:52:20 yoga02 su: pam_unix2: session finished for user root, service su Jun 19 11:52:32 yoga02 kdm[2532]: pam_unix2: session started for user yogi, service xdm There is much that doesn't want to work properly in this 8.2 PE distro... and it is frustrating. At least OOffice works (<G>) & there are alternate players but none seem to work as well as xine did on mdk9. ...CH -- SuSE Is All U Need.