On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 10:34:28AM +0100, Ted Harding wrote:
On 09-Jun-03 Patrick Shanahan wrote: And *your* question has what to do with the thread "Enabling /home/*/public_html to be seen in my web page" which you have responded?
I think Patrick and others are being unduly harsh with Zach Smith's alleged "hijacking" of a thread. When I received his message it had simply the Subect:
[SLE] Does SuSE deviate from "standards"
However, from the headers in his message I see:
In-Reply-To: <3EE3EF56.30404@okstate.edu> References:
<20030608214341.GU5294@wahoo.no-ip.org> <3EE3DEB8.9080302@okstate.edu> <20030608233346.GY5294@wahoo.no-ip.org> <3EE3EF56.30404@okstate.edu>
What seems to have happened here is that Zach sent a new message to the list by "reply"ing to an existing one (perhaps to save typing/looking up the list address), then clearing everything he could see (including the subject) and creating a totally new message (or so it seemed) -- but not realising that hidden below the surface there might be headers that referenced other messages in a thread.
Hence _some_ people whose mail reader can identify the thread from these headers (which presumes that they have already retained other messages from the thread) will get the impression that the thread has been changed.
But in Zach's message and headers as received by me there is no mention of "Enabling /home/*/public_html to be seen in my web page". So presumably anyone who saw that in the "Subject:" line as received by them had it put in there by their own system.
Right or wrong ... ?
Ted.
On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 5:23 EST, Jerry A!
: : : What seems to have happened here is that Zach sent a new message to the : list by "reply"ing to an existing one (perhaps to save typing/looking up : the list address), then clearing everything he could see (including the : subject) and creating a totally new message (or so it seemed) -- but not : realising that hidden below the surface there might be headers that : referenced other messages in a thread. : : Hence _some_ people whose mail reader can identify the thread from these : headers (which presumes that they have already retained other messages : from the thread) will get the impression that the thread has been changed. : : But in Zach's message and headers as received by me there is no mention : of "Enabling /home/*/public_html to be seen in my web page". So presumably : anyone who saw that in the "Subject:" line as received by them had it : put in there by their own system. : : Right or wrong ... ?
I'm guessing that many of the people that had issue (and rightfully so) were using mutt or MH, which correctly track via "References" and the Message-Id's that the header contains. The text of the subject may have been changed, but for all intents and purposes, the mail still "said" that it was part of a previous thread.
For further clarification, I suggest checking out RFC 2822.
--Jerry
Jerry and Ted, As you well know, the problem isn't _some_ people whose mail reader can identify the thread from these headers. (those using mutt or MH) It is also the fact that the SuSE mailing list archieves get messes up. http://lists.suse.com/archive/ And I don't understand all the permutations, but I do know with the Netscape email program I use if I hit reply, edit my text, change the "To" line and modify the Re line, i can break the thread on the archieve dispite the "hidden" headers --- and that is not what I wanted to do with my earlier reply to Zach Smith entitled: RE: [SLE] Does SuSE deviate from "standards" (long) BTW -- Zack did apologize -- but he broke the thread too. Zack -- what email program are you using ??? Was it mutt or MH ??? __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455