** Here be Dragons friend , trod lightly ,lest you find yourself in a flame , w/ no breath mints handy. As for instance , when I do an online update and the page says downloading x package ( x as undefined item rather than a "number" ) and then it just seems to sit and stare off into space ( or simular metaphor ) where absolutley NOTHING happens for very long periods of time ... ( automagic rther than manual seems to do the same, but at lesat I *could* have it do it's magic over lunch ) IT takes so long w/o doing anythign that I can SEE , that I have resorted to going to meetings etc w/ it running ... NOT the most desireable thing to do ... IT would be nice to have some sort of indicator , a simple bar or ??? atleast perhaps a "spinner" so one could be certain it is doing something rather than just falling asleep ... I did , I think , just do the package manager update ... it asked me to restart the thing.. and now we are back to teh staring contest as I wait to see how long it will take to build it's db... One hopes that once it has rebuilt it's db the entier update process will go much faster , as it did w/ 8.0 and back as far as 7.0 .. don't thingk I had the version 6.? long enough to do an update <G> 7.0 was so much nicer for me, I understood what it wanted me to do or enter.. ( and I was a reletive linux newbie having only used, if that is what it could be called, Redhat 6.0 and before that corel whatever number they gave it ... HAS anyone had any experience w/ the install of the packagemanager on 8.1 ? Did it speed up the downloading of information once it had rebuilt ( built?) it's database? Since it only actually did dl and install the update this time I guess it didn't think it was needed as long as it was going to do automagic updates ? BTW has anyone noticed that many/most of us speek about yast(2) "doing or thinking" things??? Wonder if that makes us more or less likely to think of the computer as soem sort of life form <G> -- j afterthought ERROR: Keyboard not attached ... Press F1 to continue ...