::Granted, your mileage may vary... And all this talk means companies won't make native Linux optimized games. If they can make these games run on the BSD based OSX. I really don't see why they can't do it for Linux. I mean by the last count there are more desktop users of Linux then OSX. And most people dual boot or keep a Wintendo box around just for games and the occasional app. When did we stop fighting for it..when Loki's a**hole CEO ran them into the ground..is that when we gave up? I mean JC at id said they are developing Doom3 on Linux and it will run best on Linux but still have ports to OSX and Windows. If it's so good because of the direct hardware access Linux gives..then something else must be wrong. They must have the idea Linux games won't sell. It's really quite sad. RH and others talk about taking Linux to the desktop...well without games I would say a great many desktops will either stay Windows or dual booted. :/ -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.