Some advice: First, if someone is acquainted with YaST2 and SuSE Linux, chooses to be a SuSE Linux user and wants to whine about ones dislike like of YaST2, maybe that person shouldn't complain. Maybe that person should use another distro and whine about that one. In my opinion, the new YaST2 is the finest prepackaged, GUI based, system administration tool avaliable as part of any Linux distribution. Redhat's and Mandrake's alternatives are disorganized and not well centralized. Many current SuSE Linux users and supporters have made SuSE Linux their distribution of choice precisely because of YaST2 and other outstanding features. Since the discontinuation of YaST1, many of the complainers have decried the supposed lack of a text based YaST. The text bast YaST1 has been replaced by a text based YaST2. Just switch to a terminal emulater or pseudo terminal and enter yast2. You will be presented with a ncurses based YaST client. The next argument is that YaST and other SuSE tool are proprietary, the sources are not avaliable, and that it is some sort of big corporate plot to take advantage of the open source world. There MUST always be a place for choice in the the realm of software. I am a big supporter of open source, but I believe that there must always be an equal place for proprietary, open source, and free software. One of the main reasons that we so dislike entities like micro$oft and novel is that they are against that same aforementioned belief. Therefore, we must avoid acting like propriatary software is evil incarnate or we become a mirrored image of micro$oft and the like. The key here as long as we have choice, which SuSE distros provide in an unparalleled manner, proprietary tools a really not an issue. If you do not like them replace them widely avaliable open source tools, edit your configurations with VI and use GNU tools. If you don't like YaST2 decompile it and make it better or hack YaST1. I believe that if someone wants to write proprietary Linux software they have the right to do so, just as someone who wants give their free creations to the world has the right to do so without being criticized. I think (among others) there are two distinct ethics or type among open source/free software users. There are those who understand that free in free software often means free as in freedom, and choose to buy linux distro releases and software and otherwise financially support open source and other types of software development not because they have to, but because they want to for the value it provides to users and the world at large. These people understand just because software is intangible doesn't mean that its developers don't put years of hard work and effort into it. They understand that they sacrifice much to provide us with great software and that these talented people must earn their living like the rest of us. There are also those who think, why pay for something .... or support something ... when I can get it for free, rip it, steel it, etc. They are part of the rip-off computer culture who stand for nothing, support nothing and only use free GNU/software because its a "steal." not because it is superior. And believe that software shouldn't be payed for in any form. For example, a thank you Email, a small dontation, or buying the retail version are totally beyond their comprehension. By the way, these seem to be the ones who whine the most. They bring to mind a fellow I know who loves computing, uses only bootlegged windokes and windokes apps. He doesn't like Linux or open source software because as he puts it, "If its free it must not be worth stealing." How idiotic. Please, lets quit whining about YaST2 on this forum. If you do have a problem with YaST2 then do not use it. Perhaps you should write your own administration app to use instead. The choice is yours. Max On Tuesday 30 July 2002 11:49 pm, Oliver Fuchs wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Alain DIDIERJEAN wrote:
For that reason and others : - Books are not translated in french any more
Why to translate books in any language other than english?
- Price raised from 25 euros (6.2) to 82 (8.0)
... and in 1836 you paid for SuSE linux two eggs ... SuSE Pro 8.0 price was not 82€
- Support no more available to me and many others, people
Support is available (Debian has no support at all) ... and besides this what about this list?
I'm going to buy Debian 3.0 (3 CD, < 10 euros),
Actually the Debian 'Woody' distro is more expensive ... and includin the source files you pay about 45€ ... and if you consider that Debian 'Woody' (when it is out - does anybody know when it is out?) it is technically equal to SuSE 7.3 ... and with 25 € it is cheaper than Debian Woody
B.S. again : SuSE management does exactly what it thinks better for profit rising, I do exactly what I think better serves my interests...
A company that does not care about its profits is a dead company ... and especially today it is hard for a software company to survive ... with the distros its is like being with/in the church ... nobody tells you you must be in ... I do not think that the configuration tool YAST is determining the quality of a distro ... and to be honest Debian is not much more stable than SuSE ... and I do not want to wait for years to receive a distro that is at the moment of release antiquated ... if you do not like Yast then you always have the possibility to setup your system by your own (ENABLE_SUSECONFIG) ... I like the SuSE distros maybe because it was the first linux distro I used ... so, never mind if you want to leave ... I wish you good luck
Oliver