Hi James, I have tried to install IceWM on two machines and failed each time ... it appears to install but nothing appears on the login menu (which has the same seven options as before i.e. kde, windowmaker, sawfish, gnome, mwm, twm & failsafe). Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? I also want to try enlightemenet and had the same problem with that ... on the plus side I actually tried a few that I could find and I rather liked "Windowmaker" (NextStep like) and it strikes me that if I realy want to abandon Windows then I ought to adopt a more UNIX-Like (which I assume Windowmaker to be) GUI. James C. Rocks Equant Archway House Canary Wharf London E14 9SZ Phone: 0207-5226856 Fax: 0207-5126087 Mobile Phone: 07771-767405 http://www.equant.com This e-mail (including any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not an intended recipient or an authorized representative of an intended recipient, you are prohibited from using, copying or distributing the information in this e-mail or its attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies of this message and any attachments. Thank you.