Hi all, Not wishing to repeat myself too badly, but is anyone else with 8.0 finding kde3 grinding to a halt with a runaway kdeinit, that takes kdepanel out when killed? I am, and can only get the panel back by restarting kde - and after another 20 minutes work or so the process runs off again and effectively near-locks both panel and mouse. Hardware: Intel D845WN 845 chipset mainboard Matrox G550 video 512 Mb RAM, p4 1.7Ghz. Worked fine for 7.3 And is anyone able to tell me the status of the rpms at: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_8.0/ ? Some are of later date than the 8.0 rpms from the cds - intriguingly, though, one or two of the smaller libraries are earlier version numbers than on the cds. Sorry to near-repost, but can't go over to 8.0 until this can be cured, it's bad enough to make the installation unworkable. Any clues? Best Fergus