Hi All & Ben, one last time then ;-) <snip> (....) and I hope..hope that the "I want a free ride crowd" goes away. <snip> Eh? Who said anything about a "free ride?" I am arguing for the position that SuSE get back to releasing a single cd download version, like what they used to & like all the other distroz do (I think). I am not saying they should give everything away! Hmmm-did anyone say they should? Heck, Lenz (& off course others!), sounds like a really nice guy/s-the last thing I want is to drive him onto the street... Yo Lenz-if you are ever over this side of the planet-gimmie a yell! I know some really nice places for coffee. :-) At the very least-maybe we have entertained Lenz et al? ;-) Which brings me too.... <snip> I want the best for Linux and I hope.. <snip> We share the same goal & differ a wee bit on the means thereunto. So, lets agree to disagree or shall we not agree to disagree? An altogether disagreeable outcome.... ;-) Also, if you are ever down this way-drop in & I will shout you a free lunch! Not very expensive but free! ;-) I can afford one coffee & one smallish size lunch. I've taken nothing of what you said personally Ben. Here endith the melee? Now, I need to return to some Java learning stuff & go for a run. *BFN* Greek Geek :-)