**** " Imagine; all of everything that is or was, can be reduced to an equation less than one inch long !" Dr. M.Kaku *** Okay, now I'm really stumped ! Would soem kind soul send me the blonde version of how to setup my USB/handspring visor ( apparently I have actually got the "usbserial.c" driver loaded ( somewhere, it shows up in dmesg at least, a first !) as well as "visor.c": USB Handspring Visor and I still ca't get kpilot or jpilot to accept any of the ttyUSB serial options .. and While I love the good old serial cradle, it isn't going to work for music( mp3) transfers.. and simular items I've read the "handbook" for kpilot, but found it less than helpful I'd really be greatful for some help getting the thing to behave and run backups and the like , so I can get rid of the one remaining w2k partition on my part of the lan . It is more than annoying to have to use a windows partition for a Plam OS <sigh> TIA and Holiday Greets to All j -- j afterthought : I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.