**** imagine; all of everything that is or was, can be reduced to an equation less than one inch long ! *** okay, Am I halucinating ? Or was there software included on the older versions of Suse ( 7.0 - 7.?) that allowed fairly simple ripping from Cd's one owns , of course <s> And in the event that I am halucinating will some kind soul , who was aided by the kind folk on this list, or indeed the folk themselves , should they be moved to do so, please tell me the "who what when and where" to get me happily transfering my cds to my visor prism mp3 gadget... ( sorry, I know it's annoying , but I really do Not have the time, nor the eyeball capacity to do a google search.. ( surgery scheded for Wed. I think .. adn who knows when after that they will do the other eyeball ) TIA , y'all -- j afterthought : AAAAA - American Association Against Acronym Abuse