Hi can someone tell me if this gets through to the list ? I'm so parinoid to send any emails because of my headers getting fowled by either postfix, or sendmail. Because of this any email comming from my computer is the subject of close scrutiny by my provider. They absolutely offer no support to linux users, instead they complain when root, or usr gets appended to emails. This is one of the most annoying experiences that I have since starting with linux. I have no domain numbers to use, just 127.0.0.1 or maybe 192.168.2.2 ! I am just an end user with little knowledge of mail servers. And every time I try to set things up, I end up with a configuration that appends erroneous headers to my emails. You may say 'then don't use any server apps like, apachee, sendmail, qmail, smail, or postfix.' OK Fine , but then I loose a large chunk of functionality that many desirable applications depend on. Why can't there be simple instructions, on setting up email for an end-user that dials in to an isp? like this : 1: non server user - you dial an isp 2: they don't accept root@theirdomain in the email headers. I'll leave the last 2 steps or so to the experts that put out the distros. It's widely known that isp-admins will reject erroneous headers, and that it is an annoyance to them as well. I wonder how many instances of this exact scenario, has occured - hmm ; ) that I could have a dollar for $ by bringing it up as a problem, may get enough attention, and be eliminated as a linux drawback. All the docs are orented twards administrators , and very little is done to help some like myself, insure that sendmail generates correct headers. RTFM - and you will get a university crash course on systems administration ; - (abridged version -slightly out of sync with the present application - namely a rats-nest of weeding out desperately needed pertinent information) - Ahh don't even go there - I am doc'ed out quite enough thank you. We shouldn't have to do this with such staple applications such as email. IMOP it's an issue that needs to be put to rest along with a few others that fall into a similiar catigory of reasoning. Now I put as subject on topic sometimes , as I did , because ispying eyes if you get my drift, I may need to look into incripting headers if the situation gets any worse, another waste of cycles, mine, yours, and the computers' as well. If I send this from within pine where I'm writing it, it will not get through, instead it will be rejected for erroneous header. pine will not stop putting root@ usr@ in the header,even if I pound pine with a hammer it will screem roooot uuusssrrrr bebore it dies ! So if you don't hear from me for a while you will know that I must have been booted off my isp because of faulty headers. Just in case I get booted , lit me say that suse-linux-e rules !!! - best list I've been on. bye for now ! John Father Sarducci basslake <-> SuSE_Linux_7_0 2_4_2