On Monday, February 26th Steven T. Hatton wrote
Have you looked at http://xml.apache.org or http://www.enhydra.org ?
Not in great depth. I started off with a simple problem (Oh if only they stayed that way!) and hit upon XML as the solution and then slowly got dragged in further.
Dude, that's called a secratery! Oh well, I guess I should start picking out a grave stone after that statement?
Funny you should mention that, gravestones is one of the product lines I sell...
IIRC you can read in the DTD get the picklist one would expect, and get a fairly WYSIWYG interface. That is, after you create the DocBook or other CSS. I believe it will produce the html as well. It was not capable of directly converting to well formatted hardcopy.
I'm not sure of the state of this product or what it may truly be capable of: http://activestate.com/Products/Komodo/index.html
Thanks for the reminder, I had forgotten about komodo.
In document creation people are used to the WYSIWYG approach of modern wordprocessors. It's very hard and not necessarily desireable to implement markup documents in a WYSIWYG format. However if you can't see what your document looks like when you're creating it how do you know if you are achieving the affect you want? That comes down to how well designed the formatting template is and how well integrated it is to the markup template. This is fine for big projects and books but the time required to create and debug a markup template and its' formatting template for small projects make the process inconvenient.
This is very true. I have resolved myself to the fact that I simply have to toughen up and deal with the awkwardness of editing in markup a bit, run it through the renderer and then view it. It really isn't *that* bad.
I agree with you. Once you have worked out (or if your really lucky - had worked out for you) the 2 templates then it is just a matter of getting on with it and creating the document with your data in it. I was making the point about WYSIWYG market share heavily influences peoples working habits and expectations.
On the Conglomerate site they have a couple of articles that are worth reading:
http://www.conglomerate.org/docs/death_of_wysiwyg.html http://www.conglomerate.org/intro.html
I'll have to look at this when I wake up. If I'm alive.
If when you read this you aren't alive let us know <grin>. I checked the mail archives on the conglomerate site and found a very low volume of messages. When I read the messages for January they were all about how the project hasn't had any progress. Turns out that the 2 developers who started this have been employed by Ximian and haven't got time for it. However there are a lot of people trying to get it restarted.
(X)Emacs can do this, but I found it quite challenging to learn. The Extensibility products can also support this. In particular the XML Instance supports XML validation. But it is not the greatest UI.
Emacland is not one I have yet to venture in. One day... However I don't think it's hard to find an editor that can support this.
All of these products seem to originate, to some, extent from these guys: http://cseng.aw.com/book/0,3828,0201485435,00.html
I got a good laugh out of the fact that the correct output of their first example was nothing. I do believe there was intended humor in that.
That sounds like something for the morning.
Something tells me there is some kind of interference between sgmltools-lit and something in the SuSE distribution. I can't think of it right now. I seem to remember installing sgmltools-lite and regretting it.
He-he. Thanks for the warning. I'll try installing it just before I do a fresh install with 7.1
All the documentation in the KDE2.x, AFAIK, is DocBook based.
That's right.
Their sites may be well worth exploring if you haven't already. LyX does support the DocBook/LinuxDoc subset.
Was rooting around today in other places and kept finding comments about KDE's use of Lyx. Will check it out in more detail. Of course this will pass straight over the head of my operating-systems challenged work colleagues (win95 users - how they get anywork done I don't know).
Well I've probably given you many more distractions than you really needed. I found myself continually find a product that seemed to be great and then hitting a limitation I was not expecting.
KTP (TM) (know the problem). I think it's part of being a techie. Either that or it's some kind of virus. I also call it the 'round the corner syndrome', i.e. there's always something better just a round the corner (and I've just gotta go and take a look).
Please forgive any misspelling. My KDE2.1 current build is not supporting
It's OK. I don't know how to read anyway let alone spell ;). Jethro