I really don't intend to flame but I seriously think people are missing the point. There's more discussion in this mailing list about content, even if we accept the that content is the problem or that graphics need changing. The biggest problem for a newbie is navigating the wiki, as Suggested I did look into trying to help with the portal but honestly I gave up I began to realise just how much of a mess the wiki is in. http://en.opensuse.org/User:Fmonkey As you can see from my sandbox attempt at just trying to consolidate a new users pages into a portal, so that I included what maybe needed to enable internet connection, add sources, set up graphics, troubleshoot sound if needed, then I gave in at actual media playback. Now given a choice between these 2 pages as a Newbie I know which one I'd rather use http://gentoo-wiki.com/Main_Page http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org Then we actually get into content for both wiki's http://gentoo-wiki.com/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=0 http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=0 Then lets compare http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_IBM_ThinkPad_600 with http://en.opensuse.org/HCL/Laptops/IBM I won't mention that we also have various other model configs. Then take a look at the amount of libzypp pages, meetings etc.. there's too much chaff now its too hard to find the wheat. The worse thing is the duplication, but I see this already starting on http://opensuse-community.org/Special:Allpages look at the repeats the version specifics etc this is whats leading to the confusion.I don't see version specific at the harder to install wiki, these need to be consolidated into the respective pages not duplicated 5 times for each version, the wiki has tags to be used. Then I also found I found more useful pages in the sdb http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=100 The confusion is absurd. As the wiki stands at the moment we have quantity over quality, I and I'm sure new users would rather have quality over quantity. Lets take out meeting transcripts, libyzipp as someone pointed out to me Gentoo is far harder to install but compare the differences on the 2 wiki's its absurd, how many pages on installing the wiki actually has. Just someone who does care about Suse and perhaps sees the problems with the wiki that others miss. I really haven't written this to upset people but I suspect some will be, and for that I apologise. Stef ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org