Testing Team, Sorry to have helped kick off this discussion but not be in the thick of it, still getting my internet service up. Anyway, Thomas Schulte communicated my thoughts exactly. I think we should take a look at the system requirements and perhaps have two sets so the absolute bare is known, but otherwise realistic requirements are published for openSUSE 11.3. There are two ways to get this done: A. Work ourselves to find specs that fit the distro B. Work with the developers to set specs that the distro will be required to work within If we decide to find specs that fit the distro we definitely need some standards, otherwise we'll end up not much better off in the end due to our different views on performance. A few ideas: 1. Length of install if the user accepts all defaults - What's the maximum acceptable time? 60 minutes? 90 minutes? 120 minutes? 2. A standard set of apps and activities done simultaneously to simulate 'multitasking' - People can be taught to do one thing at a time, but should our specs be designed around the assumption that they won't multitask? 3. Using popular software in certain ways - such as OpenOffice Writer with a large MS Word file; Firefox on Youtube or Flash-based games; PDF reader with a large file. - Does it work? What is the minimum performance - say rendering time when scrolling, or some other measure We could also try to simply find the bare minimum that works, no matter how slow it happens to be. For 11.2 we are certainly too late, but for 11.3 having a good set of minimum requirements would be great. The current requirements seem to be a mix of CLI (Pentium 1) and GUI (512MiB RAM recommended). I think we should have more explicitly delineated specs, that will better serve both new users - who will blame us if the system is too slow despite what we say are the minimums - and experienced users who know how to shimmy the system into lower specs. Refilwe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help@opensuse.org