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Re: [opensuse-support] STDOUT of programs started from DE menu in syslog
On 02/12/2018 21.22, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
02.12.2018 21:24, Neil Rickert пишет:
On 12/2/18 5:23 AM, Peter Suetterlin wrote:

I just noticed/realized that if I start an application via the DE menu,
anything that this application prints to stdout is sent to
systemd/journal/syslog. (in my case, it's kstars).

Traditionally, that output went to ".xsession-errors" (or similar).

My normal practice was to ignore that, unless I was debugging something.

But, yes, now that goes to syslog. This is quite annoying. It clutters
up syslog with lots of unimportant stuff. I used to occasionally browse
"/var/log/messages", but now there is too much garbage there.

I assume that this is a "systemd" feature (or misfeature).

Of course. Systemd also ate your kitten.


As far as I know, this is due to I/O being redirect at X11 startup, and
that redirection is inherited by started applications. Since "systemd"
is responsible for starting the graphic display service, I assume it is
responsible for this change of behavior.

stdout/stderr are setup in display manager and inherited by all started
processes (including X server), unless processes explicitly change them.
Both gdm and sddm prefer journal and this is hardcoded.

Now I understand the issue.

X in the past wrote to X.error or something. Now they send instead to
the general syslog system, which means the journal or the syslog daemon
captures the output.

And some programs also sent default output there, so it ends in the same

Systemd is innocent this time ;-)

I was not fully aware of this.

It is possible that some display manager doesn't do this :-?

Apparently, I have kstars in my older laptop, so I tried - but I do not
see entries in syslog. I did not go past the introduction, though,
something failed. Oh, no, my mistake: I started it remotely via ssh
session, so the output is in my ssh client terminal. I'll try later locally.

Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R.
(from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

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