I have tried just about everything I can think of and no matter what it is I get the same result "invalid passphrase please try again, until after a while it just says, invalid passphrase and revocation certificate ( or anything else that wants a passphrase ) is not created.. I tried reading the manual but got no help there... oh, it's Suse 9.3 a clean install , And I am attempting to put back the gnupg and kpgp items from 9.2, I can import them from a keyserver, but although a click on the kpgp icon shows the files , if I attempt to use one for a signature in kmail, it tells me there is no information there. Decrypts do the same it claims there is no information in the file... I can't even make a new one that shows up.. I have tried that as well. Most omoshiroii -- j kpgp fingerprint:2974 C0EF 1FDB E4FF 94C6 EF99 BD5E CC94 823B 8B73