oki, since we have an OT thread already... * Using SuSE wrote on Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 13:27 -0800:
--- Steffen Dettmer
wrote: it's not more difficult to build own rules :) I probably have to, even if I really did not want it. As I am starting again, installing sofisticated tools on 200MHz and learn about them will cost me some time.
I still agree this seems to be not a trivial problem; otherwise someone already had told: "Set SUSE_FW_SPECIAL_CONFIGVARIABLE" to "`cat /bin/hallo | susetool -asdf3w | tail -1`" or whatever. But this example is not a configuration but a programming in my opinion.
There will be no sucess of Linux,
There is already enough success if you ask me. Someone told a few days ago: "All experts already converted to linux. Now only laymen can follow...". To much success must not neccesarily be a good thing, BTW.
is also not good but works *for me*. My slight hope for getting help here vanishes as the deadline comes near, so I better learn it too. I'm disgusted. Even Java community that is strongly commercialized and complex has far better user support
Well, this is not a SuSE support list. When you pay SuSE support and they cannot help you, I would take my money back. But I cannot imagine that it's a problem to open a particular port, I just don't believe it. Maybe it's not elegant, maybe you need to edit a script, but finally it should work. It's a difference if you search for a well, clean solution (which may take much time) or any working solution (which should be no problem).
Hum, debian costs even much more time to set up I think (IMHO). Yes, but I suspect I would accomplish it in the time I've lost with SuSE...
Then you should use Debian. But I doubt that, still :)
I think they hack to fast the stuff, no design, no concept, no use - for me :) I just hate scripts that source (!) config files...
Not sure about the meaning, you probably talk about quick hacks that may somehow work but don't have long lifecycle. Well, I'm mot against it if it is a good help for common situations without the need for details, but when everybody just wants to sell even basic knowledge like in M$ world, I become irritated.
I see many responses that were posted here for free. But feel free to pay me :) SCNR.
Is this discussion related to security of SuSE?
At some points, yes. I think, the admin is the weakest part of a secured system. This implies to things: first, the configuration that has to be done by the admin must be simple to reduce risks of misconfiguration, and second, the admin must know what he is doing. It seems, you're not an admin but a developer. Well, I think you don't repair the engine of your car by yourself. But why you do such tasks as network security engineering? Why don't get someone setting up this? I never understood why every linux users and even more every windows user should know how to install and configure something, why everybody must be an admin. I think, most people should just work, it's sufficient to have a few admins, isn't it?? oki, Steffen -- Dieses Schreiben wurde maschinell erstellt, es trägt daher weder Unterschrift noch Siegel.