On 18/10/19 8:42 pm, Simon Lees wrote:
On 10/18/19 7:51 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 18/10/19 12:36 pm, Simon Lees wrote:
On 10/18/19 7:13 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 17. Oktober 2019, 18:13:15 CEST schrieb Scott Bahling:
On Thu, 2019-10-17 at 08:45 +1030, Simon Lees wrote: > On 10/16/19 6:10 PM, Stasiek Michalski wrote: ...
>> I asked this question in form of "How restricting would openSUSE >> be in >> case we used it as the foundation name?", however, afaik, it >> never got >> past the board, just because we still had/have(?) no clue about the >> final form of the foundation, so it wasn't/isn't(?) worth it to >> get the >> lawyers involved. > This is basically correct, the initial discussions we had with a more > general lawyer around the time this was first discussed was it > could be > quite restrictive, but followup with a trademark lawyer has suggested > that it should not be restrictive at all. > > This is why the board would really like your opinion on a name change > without taking this issue too much into account. If most want to > change > the name anyway then its a non issue, if an "openSUSE Foundation" > does > end up being too legally restrictive for whatever reason then the > board > will propose using something else (but if most people want to not > change > the project's name we won't change the name of anything else). But > the > current advice the board has is it shouldn't be legally > restrictive so > we hope to just be able to follow the result of the vote. Aha? That is an important piece of information I somehow missed in the threads up to now. I was under the assumption that the name change was exactly because there was fear of legal restrictions hurting us in the future. We (the board) consulted a specialized lawyer for trademark issues, and talked to a judge as well. It pointed out that both independent legal entities (openSUSE and SUSE) can keep their brands and go into competition with each other, so trademarks would not be a show-stopper.
My opinion is that a brand name change should NOT happen based on popular opinion, but done to work around foreseen and otherwise insurmountable issues. I believe that is pretty much standard advice for anyone serious about brand integrity and recognition. Has the board sourced any expert advice in this area? Including what would be best for the success of a new foundation (starting with a new name vs using an established name)? https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2019-06/msg00128.html
* Axel Braun
[10-17-19 16:12]: then there is not reason for the vote unless it is *only* to change the name of our distribution. why are we having a vote? Because some people would like to change the name of the distribution along with all the other parts of the project so the name openSUSE doesn't exist anywhere. Who are these people, please? Several of them commented in the original thread on this subject, they are not that hard to find. If they didn't we wouldn't be having this vote.
OK, in the thread which I believe to be the beginning of this "discussion", it was floated that the LOGO of openSUSE be changed. Repeat, the LOGO. However, Richard Brown, while still a member of the Board, then introduced the idea of also changing the Name so that it did not contain the word 'SUSE'. And, as you even admitted in an earlier post, there is no reason for a name change so any voting now under way should be about changing the LOGO and not the name. BC -- chestnuts n.- An embarrassing and painful male condition. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org