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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE 13.1 - Preparation for Evergreen
On 14/12/15 21:07, Richard Brown wrote:
On 14 December 2015 at 10:53, Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Monday 14 of December 2015 10:21:19 Richard Brown wrote:
On 14 December 2015 at 07:51, Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Don't shoot the messenger, and as you clearly didn't know about this
The quotes you presented only confirm that what you wrote is your
personal interpretation and the actual situation is different. The
future of Evergreen 13.1 after November 2016 is still open and depends
on contributors joining the effort. Statements like "There will be no
Evergreen 13.1 after November 2016." from someone in your position can
be extremely harmful.
I said, and I quote from my mail from 19 hours ago

"I know that Evergreen 13.1 will die in November 2016 unless other
people step in to do the work which Wolfgang is currently doing"

I understand that you would prefer everyone moving to Tumbleweed or at
least (latest) Leap - but you should restrain yourself from abusing your
role to actively discourage people from participating in projects just
because they are incompatible with your personal views and wishes. With
power, responsibility comes - and Board chairman should be responsible
enough to restrain oneself from this kind of manipulation.
My responsibilities includes supporting and communicating the
decisions made by this community

Right now, the decisions made by our contributors, will lead to
Evergreen ending on November 2016

I am in no position to challenge that, and yes, I have no interest
myself in doing anything about that..if I did, I would be volunteering
to help

If people want to change things, they can, I and no one else can stop
them, but they need to understand what the current situation is..and
that is what I have done here

I don't see how I could do it any differently

Being silent would be unhelpful - Axel and others would continue under
the impression that Evergreen has a likelihood of continuing after
November 2016.

Encouraging others to step in would be dishonest - It goes against
what I think is best for the Project



It goes against what I think is best for the Project


And there's the rub.

You are not elected by the Community members to the Board.

You are an unelected appointee by SUSE to the OpenSUSE Community Board
and as such represent in the first instance SUSE's interests.

There are other Board members who are elected, and have been elected,
and yet you seem to have usurped the task of them speaking for
themselves. Do you speak on all of their behalves? I (?we) do not know.
If it is the case -- that you have been chosen to speak on all their
behalves -- then it would be very nice to know that this is the case and
you should have begun by stating -- or at this stage, which is not too
late, to advise here -- that you speak on behalf of all the members of
the Board.

However, if I recall correctly, you did mention in one of your posts
that you were expressing your own opinion - and on matters which appear
to be out of your main sphere of responsibility (apart that is from
representing SUSE's interests): the latest wiki
( states that you are, "....
involved as a maintainer of GNOME and the openSUSE branding packages,
and working on packaging Spacewalk for openSUSE. ".

While you are quite welcome to express your opinions as an ordinary user
of openSUSE you nevertheless have referred to yourself as the chairman
of the Board (see above) which throws a totally different perspective on
what you express and therefore what people conclude from your utterings.

Now, I do not have an intimate -- or otherwise -- knowledge of the
workings of openSUSE or its relationship with SUSE and how the distro is
"put together" and to date I, or anyone else I suspect, have not had to
ask about this relationship because the progress of openSUSE has been
harmonious until now, but to me it seems that your job description with
SUSE, that of being employed as SUSE's "QA Engineer", confines you to
worrying about quality assurance -- the pre-activity to quality control
-- but not to how, say, repositories are managed and whether openSUSE
13.2 should be followed by openSUSE 13.3 or whether fonts used in
openSUSE should be XXXX or YYYY.

To me the wherefore of, say, how repositories should be managed is the
responsibility of Stephan Kulow and Stephan alone.

What fonts should be used in openSUSE is a matter for the Community to
decide and not for SUSE's appointee to the Board to waste time on as the
"QA engineer".

The above, of course, is based on my own experience gained some years
ago when working with computer programmers and computer programs
designed to achieve an effective and gainful result but things may have
changed in most recent years and so I can only state that what I just
expressed is my opinion and is not meant to be offensive, discourteous,
impertinent, rude or offending.


Using openSUSE 13.2, KDE 4.14.9 & kernel 4.3.2-1 on a system with-
AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor
16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM
Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU

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