On Friday 06 December 2013 09.02:15 Stephan Kulow wrote:
On 05.12.2013 20:31, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
I can't believe that we are not able to know who do the work. Did we get real complaint about our top contributors getting not enough gratitude? Be just assured about one thing, even if a packager has pushed 10000 packages to factory, I will not blindly trust the 10001! And also I would be able to trust a first submission of a newcomer. There's NO difference in contribution.
Of course you can. But if some newcomer comes along and submits a new kernel, it will be reviewed *REALLY DEEPLY* to understand where he's coming from and what his intentions are. If Michal submits a new kernel, it won't be even reviewed beside the version number. Did you really think for example I can submit a kernel request and be enough dumb to believe it has a chance to pass the review without being a bit social before, make all what I can to discuss the changes on the appropriate mailing list, and with the current maintainers?
For sure the aggregate trust, we allow to contributor who have done good jobs (shall I say excellent) before will have an impact, that just prove we're still a group of humans ;-) But some day, you regret a such level of trust, just because you let a damn f**cked sr enter the system, being too confident :-) And that's not a failure, it's called a readjustment. ;-)
That's just the plain truth at the moment. While you might be an exception, everyone else I know increases his expectations if people did good work in the past. E.g. I'll gladly install stuff from home:seife, but I will be very reluctant to register home:coolguy. I just don't know coolguy.
Absolutely.
The number also doesn't mean quality, nor constant quality of doing. If you read that karma points == number of packages, then you misread this whole thing. You shouldn't have stopped at the subject I guess. Bruno, I respect your bad experiences with Karma systems and your strong opinion about it. But you could pay back some respect in actually trying to understand what we want to achieve.
In fact, I've read the whole thing. Even if the idea sound/like good to some of us, I (for the moment) fear that the implementation is a higher risk of being a disaster than a success.
And while Robert calls it spoon feeding, the Karma discussion is a discussion unrelated to the staging projects workflow. It's two different proposals, that might work together or not. The openSUSE team will very likely not work on it in the upcoming future, but it's an idea worth presenting and discussing - and as others said it was discussed before because if done right it can help the community. Just as it helps other communities.
I don't get (yet) proof of it will be done right! Cause from my point of view nobody will be able to define what right is.
Greetings, Stephan I'm sharing the words of Robert here
We've managed just fine without a karma system so far. But, whom am I to tell people what to do and what not to do. If someone really thinks that we do not have more pressing things to resolve and a karma system has to be implemented, more power to them. Whether the community in the end accepts the results of such an effort or not is a completely different story. So let see how it will drive us. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org