Hey, On 05/15/2012 01:45 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 15/05/2012 13:07, Henne Vogelsang a écrit :
something needs to be done it doesn't happen. The only way things happen is if you make them happen yourself. Just do it!
sure, but this is a two step problem: we have to teach voluteers how to do this.
Then volunteer your work for that first. It always boils down to the same thing, do something with all the possibilities this project gives you. There isn't someone who will come and make your bed. Hell you have to go out into the Forrest, lumber the tree, cut planks out of the logs, mine and melt your metal for the nails and engineer your own bed here! To often I hear someone say "we" when in reality they mean "they". It's always "they" who have to do, teach and organize things. There is always some reason why "they" have to do something first before "I" can volunteer. But "they" are nonexistent, people.
I follow the bugzilla mailing list, I know how much work is done there, but I could give very little help, for example not knowing who is in charge of each kind of problem.
Either you can never know (because this is not your thing, this is too complicated for you, this is impossible to do in general yadda yadda yadaa) OR you can try to figure it out. Sit your butt down and read through the OBS documentation how to figure out maintainers, try to assign bugs to the right people, make mistakes and learn from them, ask people you think are knowledgeable for help etc. In the end you either succeed and fixed the problem or you admit defeat, have learned a valuable lesson and start over with the next task.
Not to raise the bugzilla problem itself (work an other thread), but than there is an enormous gap between ordinary user and you, for example, in matter of infrastructure knowledge.
we need some sort of "masterclass", may be the Freight train could help is this respect :-))
How do you think I learned about our infrastructure? How do you think I keep up with changes in our infrastructure? I constantly pick up tasks where I have no idea how to do them. Then I sit down and figure out how to do them. I try things, read things, I nag my peers about help, I get on peoples nerves about details and I make lots of mistakes. In short: I do something about it. That's what I'm trying to tell you. You have to take your contribution into your own hands, you can't rely on someone else to teach or do something for you. Do it yourself. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE http://www.hennevogel.de Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org