On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 02:45:20PM -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Greg KH
wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 05:25:52PM -0000, Administrator wrote:
Hi all,
There's been many discussions over the past years about a "rolling update" version of openSUSE on lots of different mailing lists and in person a different conferences.
So the time now is to stop talking about it, and actually trying to do it :)
So, I'd like to propose "openSUSE Tumbleweed" a repo that is a rolling updated version of openSUSE containing the latest "stable" versions of packages for people to use.
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I'd like to do this "for real" after 11.4 is out, just due to the amount of time it will take to get the workflow down properly, and due to some other time constraints on my plate at the moment. I anticipate trying this out to start with based on 11.3 but I don't guarantee it all working properly right at the moment.
So, any thoughts, ideas, objections?
How would this sit in relation to repos like Packman? Would it supersede (or provide a base for) those efforts?
Stuff in Packman is there because of legal reasons it can't be hosted in the openSUSE build system, right? Because of that, I don't see how Tumbleweed could "supersede" those packages, but it could be a base for a Packman repo for these packages to be built against.
But, if there are packages in Packman that people just use because they are "more up to date" than the existing "stable" release, then yes, I could see Tumbleweed superseding it.
Hope this helps explain things.
thanks,
greg k-h
Packman has both newer releases of stuff in the main distro repos, and legally incumbered stuff.
I assume the non-encumbered stuff will move to tumbleweed.
But I worry about stuff like the broadcomm STA driver. (I think that's the one). It is typically not in any official repo during the factory time frame, and then appears in Packman shortly before or after the main release.
If it's closed source, I honestly don't care at all about it. If it's open, why isn't in the main repo or in the main kernel.org tree already?
Without Packman support for at least some of the key kmod's and codecs needed by tumbleweed, I seriously doubt it will get much end-user adoption.
I don't care about closed source kernel modules that violate my personal copyright, and neither should you.
So getting that buy-in is the first thing I would look to from a strategic view. Without it, I think the whole plan falls apart.
I totally disagree, you are saying the whole reason a distro works at all is due to closed kernel modules and codecs? I seriously doubt that. I don't think it will be very hard to get Packman (or any other repo) that handles the codes up and working on Tumbleweed. Same goes for the kernel modules, if you really care about them and are willing to assume the legal liablity for them. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org