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Re: [opensuse-project] Decision made - openFATE feature 306967, KDE default
  • From: "Kevin \"Yeaux\" Dupuy" <kevin.dupuy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:29:08 -0500
  • Message-id: <bc4fd04e0908221029r1f5c8579o2c5f2010d848cd4c@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Joe Harmon<jharmon@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 8/21/2009 at 01:47 AM, jdd <jdd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I think these two are absolutely good. We have to have a default. It's
Kde because most openSUSE users use Kde. If ever Gnome become the
prefered choice, the change in the default seems to be obvious

I have been staying out of these for a little bit but I don't agree with this
statement. We > don't HAVE to have a choice, we are choosing to have a
choice. And I don't see gnome > becoming the preferred choice with KDE
selected as the default.

I agree. I've stayed out of this thread so far, mainly to see where it
goes. I'm happy that there is discussion about videos and giving users
more information about the two desktops, which is what I and several
others were pushing for in the original discussion threads about this
topic. That would be much more beneficial to the project than what we
ended up with, a political statement that tells the GNOME contributors
"thanks for your contributions to our project, but we're gonna tell
new users to use KDE". This, as it was brought up, was a completely
political discussion. Even several KDE contributors (and I realize
that this was the vocal minority of KDE contributors, I'm not trying
to blame everyone by any means) said that this was to repair what they
had felt was them being wronged by the Project because GNOME was
"allowed" to be on the same level as KDE.

Let's take a realistic look at what could be done to solve this issue.

Problem: We prompt users to select a desktop environment, even though
many will have little idea as to what they should choose.


1) Dump one desktop, or relegate it to the "Other..." screen and make
it clear that openSUSE will support one desktop only.

Consequences: will completely drive out the dumped desktop's community
and alienate their userbase.

2) Endorse a desktop while still technically supporting both.
Pre-select the endorsed desktop in the Installer, and suggest new
users use the endorsed desktop.

Consequences: Current users of desktop unaffected immediately,
contributors may feel alienated and uncomfortable, ultimately leaving
the desktop to a less-maintained status, harming users. May lead to
same consequences as the first, but perhaps slower. In addition, new
users will have no reason to choose the desktop, as the endorsed
desktop is suggested.
(Obviously, the Project heads have chosen this one for us, at least right now)

3) Don't endorse either desktop, provide quick tours (video, text,
even interactive) of the two desktops prior to downloading (or in the
installer, if technically possible) that give users much more
information about which desktop could be good for them. Allows each
community to continue working on their desktops and making them
better, and gives the user extra information going into the install.

Consequences: Although we're still forcing the user to make a choice,
this time they have some extra information going in that can make it
easier to choose. Those that don't have time to read or watch ANYTHING
(and we're talking two minutes for both, max) aren't really likely to
be moving off of their current OS anyway.

I liked Dean's idea of something similar to SUSE Studio's Testdrive
feature, with stock KDE and GNOME Live CD editions (or even scaled
down a little) to give new users a chance to poke around. Perhaps
someone familiar with how SUSE Studio does this can give some more
info as to whether this is feasible or not...
Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy
openSUSE Project Member
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