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Re: [opensuse-project] Coming up with a good Policy ...
  • From: Lubos Lunak <l.lunak@xxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:40:15 +0200
  • Message-id: <200908051640.15296.l.lunak@xxxxxxx>
On Wednesday 05 of August 2009, Christian Jäger wrote:
Hello Lubos,

Am Mittwoch, den 05.08.2009, 15:35 +0200 schrieb Lubos Lunak:
- On the contrary, there have been presented reasons that the current
situation is unfair and might be considered offensive by our KDE
community.

I fail to see how equal rights for both DEs present an offense to KDE.

That is because you fail to see that the rights are in fact not equal. Please
see below.

- when openSUSE ships several competing components, the most suitable,
or, failing a clear solution for that, the most popular one is
preselected - fact - the desktop selection is not handled the same way,
since there is not a clear decision on the most suitable component, and
the most preferred component is not preselected - fact
- this creates an exception that is not present elsewhere - fact
- this exception grants GNOME an advantage - fact

Not fact, your reasoning is flawed. A desktop-environment is completely
unlike 'components most suitable'.

Let me redo it without the use of this item then, it actually simplifies it:

- when openSUSE ships several competing components, the most suitable, or,
failing a clear solution for that, the most popular one is preselected - fact
- the desktop selection is not handled the same way, since there is not a
clear decision on the most suitable component, and the most preferred
component is not preselected - fact
- this creates an exception to the commonly used practice - fact
- no other openSUSE component is granted such a(n obvious) exception - fact
- giving something an exception that is not given to others can be considered
unfair by competing components (or even any other component) - fact
- openSUSE claims to welcome these components equally - fact
- one of them is granted an exception that no other has - conflict with above

Besides using 'the desktop selection' as a reference to the problematic area
I did not even name any component, so I consider this rather generic, the
other arguments such as 'newbie user' can be ignored and this still stands.
Do not think of it as making openSUSE less fair, think of it as making
openSUSE more fair. The proposal would still be the same even without
mentioning 'KDE' anywhere in it.

There are of course other solutions for this, for example invalidating item
#4 (providing no preselection in other areas of openSUSE) or #6 (saying that
openSUSE has special interests and prefers some components, for whatever
reason). The proposal in discussion suggests to invalidate item #2.

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