The openSUSE mailing lists do not strike me as particularly open. I have been contributing to free software projects for over ten years, but none I can remember appears as unfriendly when someone not subscribed to a list tries to post to that list. Why do we have such a strict setup? As evidenced by hosts like gcc.gnu.org, it is possibly to keep lists spam free without it. *If* we need such a form of moderation, could this be human moderators? Frankly, with unfriendly a reponse like this, I usually think twice about contributing. If human moderation does not work, how about a simple scheme where one has to follow a URL provided in the auto-response to unlock his previously sent message? w3c does this very nicely, for example. Also, the message refers to a "nomail version of the list" but a regular user certainly will have not idea whatsoever what that is and how to subscribe to that version of the list. </rant> My recommendations are: 1. Abandon this level of strictness and instead use decent spam and virus filtering. 2. If this does not work sufficiently well, employ human moderation or a challenge/reponse schema. 3. Better describe what the "nomail version of the list" refers to. Gerald -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer E gp@novell.com SUSE Linux Products GmbH Director Inbound Product Mgmt T +49(911)74053-0 HRB 16746 (AG Nuremberg) openSUSE/SUSE Linux Enterprise F +49(911)74053-483 GF: Markus Rex ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: zypp-devel+owner@opensuse.org To: gp@novell.com Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:35:22 +0000 Subject: zypp-devel@opensuse.org is a subscribers only list Hi, this is the mlmmj program managing the mailinglist zypp-devel@opensuse.org You have tried to post from this email address: gp@novell.com But this address is not subscribed, and only subscribers may post to the list. If you believe you are correctly subscribed, please check the email address you subscribed with in the welcome message, or check the headers of any message to the mailinglist. If you want to be able to post from more than one email address, you can subscribe the other addresses to the nomail version of the list. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org