On Sun 06 May 2007 01:19:07 NZST +1200, Martin Schlander wrote:
Repositories are too difficult to add to suse. Mostly because finding them in the first place takes too long for a non-techie, partly because it's too slow. And too damn buggy - repos which were configured before just pop off the list (but are still being refreshed, creating a "what the hell is this *&@#$&@( box downloading for the next 15 minutes?). A non-techie wouldn't know any of this.
I disagree.
No problem, but I'm keeping my opinion for now. :)
Nowadays you can add the official repos during installation.
Sure, but you haven't got a running system yet. Do you know which ones to add? No. Adding the official ones during installation makes the system unusable for a serious length of time, so I usually advise against it. People want to be running first. Afterwards, there's no more repo suggestion, not even for the official one. This is bad.
If you choose to do it manually you no longer need to split the url, you can simply copy/paste the url to yast installation source module.
Yes, pasting the complete URL in one hit is an assential function! Yet, a friend updated 9.x to 10.2 GM, there was no such function...
.. or you can run zypper sa <url> <alias>
What's difficult about that?
Are you serious? This command line interface is absolutely essential for sys admins and people who know they want to use it, but won't win you any converts from XP. Those people are Linux's growth potential!
Finding the repositories might be a bit difficult for a clueless n00b, but doesn't that go for Ubuntu too, if you want unofficial repos?
SUSE doesn't even offer the official repos after install. Ubuntu includes all the stuff everyone wants/needs in their official repo, SUSE can't compete with that for reasons we know, but SUSE falls shorter than that: no 3rdparty repos are offered at all to be ticked.
We have these nice wiki pages: http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Repositories http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories
Good. But I'm missing the link to these to click on in yast package management... All the info is online somewhere. That's not user-friendly, or polished. User-friendly would be to have the essentials at most one click away. And the click has to be obvious.
A google search for: "opensuse repository" will take you right there - #1 find.
Someone who is used to doze and is just trying openSUSE for the first time wouldn't know these search terms. Frustration level goes up a notch. Too many more notches, and it's Ubuntu (which doesn't seem to frustrate people, or at least one doesn't hear about it), or back to XP "this Linux thingy is unusable bla bla".
Maybe the n00b doesn't understand why it doesn't just take an instant, but at least now we have progress bars.
I'm not a n00b, and it took me a little while to realise that yast was failing to list the repo it was just spending aaaages on refreshing. Hey I couldn't even disable it - no repo in yast, no yast can't no do. The bug is still open. (I texteditored /var/lib/zypp/db/sources, not a n00bable solution. Serious question: How does an average user recover from this problem?)
I really can't see how it could be any easier.
Ugh. Many suggestions have been made in this thread. Let's keep at it. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org