Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Satoru Matsumoto
wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Satoru Matsumoto
wrote: Comforming with the branding, some logos in that page are not allowed. But I remember, red-capped Geeko was on the 'Main page' of the Wiki during Christmas season a few years ago and I have not heard that Novell lodged an objection about that. If it was a few years ago, we might not have had the guidelines we have now -- or it may have been missed. Or the creator might have asked / received permission. Just because something slips through, it may not indicate that the guidelines have changed. ;-) Looking at the 11.1 DVDs which I received for the local launch party, I can see '*green* Geeko on *gray* background'. But in Artwork:Brand[1]
Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote: page, it is described:
- When using the logo on top of textured or colored background, use the monochrome version of the logo. The SUSE green should only be used on white backgrounds.
[1] http://en.opensuse.org/Artwork:Brand
Doesn't it contradict the principle ? Or, is it asked and permitted ?
The DVD face was designed by Novell, so yes we gave permission.
I don't mean to object about that, of cource. What I want to say is, branding policies that we have now in Artwork:Brand page are not transformed into reality, because there are already many 'modified Geeko's all over the world.
Once we have a branding policy, we can modify the brand page accordingly if necessary.
Yes, modified Geekos do exist.
I have many artworks such as wallpapers, icons, cliparts, etc. with modified Geeko, which are distributed mostly by individuals on the Web. But how can we know whether they are permitted by Novell or not ? People might easily misunderstand that they can freely modify Geeko and logos without permission by Novell, when they see those artworks on the Web. I think it's practically impossible to limit those anarchic modifications and usages. In other words, many people love Geeko and want to use Geeko as a symbol for spreading (open)SUSE. Therefore, they sometimes want to modify Geeko or use it combined with some other elements in order to make it more attractive. I hope the branding policy will not disturb people who will spread (open)SUSE, but will help them.
IMHO, policies, restrictions and bans described in present Artwork:Brand are not for the openSUSE project or community, but for the business partners or resellers from Novell's eyes. If some companies want to use openSUSE logos or Geeko for their business, they should use them only as directed. But if someone want to use them for openSUSE related projects or communities, restrictions should be more flexible.
The policy applies equally. If someone wants to use the logos in a different fashion, they can always ask permission. The page is there primarily to provide guidelines that describe the way we want the logo used (typically) and also to minimize the amount of discussion necessary so that the majority of the time anyone who wants to use the logo understands the use cases we approve automatically.
We do provide the secondary logo for use more informally.
Well, if I want to make a new logo as a symbol for Japanese local user group, I'd like to combine Geeko, custom logo for "Japanese Users Group" and, for example, Fujiyama's figure or Japanese flag or map to make the logo. :-) Geeko with Statue of Liberty for LUG in US, Geeko with matador for Spanish LUG, Geeko with panda for chinese LUG..., I think they also will be useful. In addition, as Weekly News Team is just about to make the logo for Weekly News, I think making new logos for each Teams might be a good idea. How about Geeko with KDE gears for KDE Team, Geeko with GNOME foot print for GNOME Team, Geeko with Yastie for YaST Team, etc. ;-)
Thanks much for the examples. Good stuff!
But under policies, restrictions and bans described in present Artwork:Brand, those ideas can't become reality unless permitted by Novell in each case.
That's not the case - we have the secondary logo, which says: "The round button can be freely colored and combined with other graphical elements to form spinners or project logos. It is also allowed to give it custom color treatment."
You mean, the round button can be freely modified as we wish without permission by Novell, but "entire body" of Geeko can't be, right ? If so, IMHO, it should be clear, where and how to ask permission to modify "entire body" of Geeko for some special purposes and in which case we can ask permission. And, as you recognized above, many modified Geekos already exist all over the Web. I don't think all of them are given permission by Novell. Or, are they all accepted as accomplished facts ?
IMHO, we don't need the articles such as "minimal external spacing" for spacing, articles described in "Things to Avoid", as far as the purpose is for openSUSE related project's or community's activities.
The Marketing Communications folks would disagree with that. :-)
I'd like to beg Novell peoples again, the branding policy will not disturb people who will spread (open)SUSE, but will help them. That's my hope. ;-) -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing & Weekly News Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds@gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.geeko.jp/author/heliosreds _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org