I have been a suser since 8.something. and i loved kde-x up to and including kde3. i tried kde4 about a dozen times or so, every single time i could not stomach more than an hour of it. I stayed with 11.1 and kde3 for the longest time, my desktop still has a fully operational partition with it, but, after i found out that i could start with a simple x setup and then add kde3, i tried suse 11.4,12.1 and 12.2 up to m3. i used 12.1 for about 6 months as the main system, but kmail stopped working for me and my digital camera could not be read and the "my computer" icon on the desktop had changed to "storage media" and a number of other smaller nuances eventually convinced me to go back to 11.4, both on the laptop and the desktop. I knew the wifi on the laptop would be a little difficult, but after half a day of trying i got the broadcom wl driver all figured out, and , thanks to wicd my wifi has been proven more reliable and more capable than any windoze or mac setup. and everything works on both the laptop and the desktop, now both with 11.4 as the main os, the *only* os on the laptop. so there is a definite divide between 12.x suse and anything previous. and kde3 seems to be less capable in anything 12.x. don't know if it is just hal, but hal is definitely a problem spot. but yesterday i did the latest kde3 upgrade on the desktop. Three *new* things came up: 1. the haldaemon was *not* started automatically. 2. The video (latest nvidia driver for the 11.4 repo) started acting up once in a while. 3. The "my computer" icon on the desktop was renamed to "storage media" , clicking on it brings up the /media folder. I was able to restart the haldaemon and it survived a reboot, but items 2 and 3 are still bugging my 11.4 desktop. The laptop does not have *any* problems. can someone please suggest which kde3 module(s) should be rolled back in order to resolve issues 2 && 3, or at least issue 3? thanks in advance, d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org