Of course I'm not an expert, but I'd think with the developer time invested in debugging and fixing the PackageKit stack (with moderate success), it would be possible to write an update notifier plasmoid/systray thing which could launch YOU.
Please, to quote a earlier mail: "no plasma!". The use of systray has the additional bonus of working also in gnome with no additional work, as long the program adheres to the freedesktop.org standards for systray.
Also works on xfce, fvwm, wm, lxde, etc.
One tool for all. Less work for all. Shiny is nice, but full function first. SuSEwatcher did this in his time.
To bring "back" a pure SUSE tool has the "payload"/responsibility to be the ones who maintain it, sure. But, see above, RH "owns" PK.
On one hand YaST is lauded as the holy grail in system and software management, on the other it's circumvented especially for the updates!
No, for the users this makes no sense at all, for them/us this reeks of politics. Not quality, not added value.
Agreed in all areas. We don't need fancy, we need consistently functional. Having something that is broken all the time makes us look bad. I don't understand the issue with using the YaST updater, I find it works just fine.
Consistently functional, when it comes to udpates, should be *the* single overriding concern. If your updater is broken, users can't apply the updates necessary to fix it when you do actually release them! The YaST updater is good and reliable, no question. The only minor issue I have with it from a user perspective is that when software stack updates come out, it *looks* like no updates are selected, when of course only the software stack update is selected. This may cause the user to start selecting the unticked updates, thinking they have not been automatically selected by accident (I know because not only have I done this myself once, but some of my users have as well). Attempting to apply this update, with the software stack and all the other updates manually selected caused some rather broken behaviour and I ended up having to re-install the system as I recall. But other than that, yes, the YaST updater has always been my first preference. Malvern. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org