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[openFATE 310327] use systemd session manager instead of SysVinit/upstart
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  • Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:10:33 +0200 (CEST)
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Feature changed by: Bill Pye (phoenix911uk)
Feature #310327, revision 14
Title: use systemd session manager instead of SysVinit/upstart

openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed
Requester: Desirable

Requested by: Vicenç Juan Tomàs Monserrat (vtomasr5)

systemd ( is a system
and session manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init
scripts. systemd provides aggressive parallelization capabilities, uses
socket and D-Bus activation for starting services, offers on-demand
starting of daemons, keeps track of processes using Linux cgroups,
supports snapshotting and restoring of the system state, maintains
mount and automount points and implements an elaborate transactional
dependency-based service control logic. It can work as a drop-in
replacement for sysvinit.

#1: Jon Nelson (jnelson-suse) (2010-08-15 00:05:47)
sysvinit works and it works very well. While some other distros are
going to Upstart, honestly I don't really see any significant advantage
Upstart has over sysvinit, or even the Makefile-based parallel task
startup. However, systemd seems like it actually rethinks the entire
process, and for the better. I would like to see more
supervise/runit/freedt-like functionality in systemd, but if one is to
choose from among sysvinit, upstart, and systemd - it seems that there
is no compelling reason to choose upstart instead of sysvinit (except
for considerably smaller init scripts) but systemd has a far greater
architectural technological advantage.

#2: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-08-15 07:50:39)
I've looked at systemd's git repo and there are already seven releases
tagged in it. Also, Kay Sievers has pushed several suse-specific
patches, so it should work on openSUSE. The only thing we miss is input
on its stability and reliability. If it is, I think it's worth
packaging it and offer it as an option, just like we do it for upstart.
Whether to make it the default or not, I think it's imperative to have
Kay Sievers opinion and ultimately leave the decision to coolo.

#3: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-08-23 21:22:36)
Now, that fedora uses systemd as default system, I hope systemd will
make it as default into openSUSE 11.4. Any objections?

#4: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-15 05:58:42)
Apparently systemd won't be the default init system in Fedora 14. There
are sitll concerns about its stability and has been deferred to Fedora
15. I think it would be wise to do the same for openSUSE. Lets make it
the default for the next version.

#5: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-09-16 11:41:26) (reply to #4)
I have seen those news as well. Maybe good to make it default in the
next version, any chance to get it as an option in 11.4 - for people

#6: Stephen Shaw (decriptor) (2010-09-16 17:26:31) (reply to #5)
I was asking coolo about this the other day... I think it is built in
OBS somewhere, so that doesn't seem unrealistic if not already the
case.  I'm sure some serious testing and help with this would go a long
way to really considering it for openSUSE.  I believe though it also
requires at least the 2.6.35 kernel as of right now.  The 2.6.36 rc4
kernel is packaged in Kernel repository (on OBS).  The issue I had with
2.6.36 was that something was deprecated and drivers such as nvidia and
virtualbox wouldn't build. 

+ #7: Bill Pye (phoenix911uk) (2010-09-17 14:10:04)
+ I'm running systemd on my current 11.3 system and it seems to have no
+ problems that I've experience and gives a nice quick boot speed to the
+ desktop.
+ I'd like to add my support for this being included as an option in the
+ next (11.4) release of openSUSE. It's easier to test new features if
+ they're easy to install, not everyone knows their way around the
+ repository system (that includes me). :)

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