Original meeting minutes: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-20200611-s390x-openqa Discussion about openSUSE/s390x Attendees: Lubos, Oliver, Ihno Lubos: my understanding is that following is the issue https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/72880 Oliver: to summarize situation we don't have any commitment to get s390x maintaining Oliver this issue is currently specific for openSUSE: [o3][s390x] Early fail on s390x workers: connection refused https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/69328 Oliver: we need more commitment from QA department to maintain openQA/s390x or even SUSE as a whole. Ihno: number of s390x guests has no real limits. Oliver: when we talk about openSUSE, the very single instance was either not fully used or working. Ihno: I can work on the cases where guests are not working. Oliver: I'm Product Owner for maintaining openQA as a software as well as the infrastructure of openqa.opensuse.org. What is outside our scope is to fix tests, review the tests or getting the distribution published (not only for s390x). That is responsibility of "release managers". We are lucky to have Guillaume G. to keep ARM working. okurz was asked by Andrew Waafa at an openSUSE Conference what could be done and the advice was to simply ask every day or as often as possible about the state of the builds, why tests are not executed, report tickets, find the right people to delegate to, etc. . Agreement with Andrew Waffa in discussion to make openSUSE/ARM a thing Ihno: it will be our top priority to get s390x/openQA working. If you need HW resources, we can give it to you. Lubos: we need to revisit our current dedicated QA resources with introduction of s390x in Leap Oliver: I don't think that the current contract works, reality is more like a reactive support which is nice but either there is no one asking or tickets are not properly triaged and ignored. Ihno: externals can only do just a certain part of openQA work, many things have to be done by SUSE employees. Oliver: We have a dedicated s390x "QE core" product owner for openQA tests, that is Timo Jyrinki https://confluence.suse.com/display/qasle/QE+squads+-+new+structure. The scope is basic test suite (install login and so on). For installer the product owner of the corresponding QE team is Rodion Iafarov. Tasks: Lubos to talk to Marita or possibly Ralf regarding dedicated resources in Leap 15.3 interlock document. We have more arches to support, we'll need more people to maintain openqa as well. Note by okurz: The important point to reach is the common understanding that openSUSE is part of SUSE's business. IBM are interested and happy about any "good publicity" for IBM Mainframes, i.e. s390x. Lubos to see if we can find external IBM s390x/openSUSE contact. The problem is that the person would not have the possibility to fix all of the openqa issues due to the fact that some issues can be addressed only by SUSE Employees. openqa.opensuse.org is available for administration for non-SUSE employees as well. See https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/openqav3/wiki/#Accessing-o3-infrastru... for details Ihno: to reach out to Ralf U. regarding importance of s390x/openSUSE openqa and basic ticket triaging as a responsibility for the QE department. Current situation is bad no tests were finished in last 6 months or so and nothing was even communicated in tickets. Ihno: revisit current s390x resources for openQA. And make sure that they're online. Oliver: I will update ticket and link it accordingly, but I would be really happy if Release Manager can first get commitment from not-only QE management. Side note: we have only one power8 worker for openqa. Ihno: are build hosts and testing hosts in different network? Oliver: yes Success story from ARM: external machines not maintained by QE Tools team (within SUSE). openQA and openqa.opensuse.org can and is using any machine that is reachable over internet with sufficient bandwidth, e.g. cloud instances, physical machines at SUSE partners, etc. This is an opportunity for SUSE partners to have easier access with less effort to contribute to the testing of openSUSE and SUSE distributions. Lubos: I'll consinder the Power topic for Leap 15.3 interlock as well.