On Thursday 2019-10-17 11:30, Simon Lees wrote:
Based upon this established process and my recollection of the prior responses, I have come to the conclusion that my position has a larger share of supporters. This is presented in the overview.
Yes but in this case you didn't count the implicit non responses, I don't expect that everyone who agree's with a proposal such as removing rpm groups needs to add a +1 to the email thread
By your very argumentation, you also should not expect that everyone who agrees with my proposition needs to add a +1 to the thread. So it's fair to say that you can't just count 490 non-respondents as agreements for a removal.
right level of granularity right now I have no idea what your tag system would look like so I have no idea if I think it would be useful and would support it. Maybe a wiki page with a proposal of tags would be a good starting point here.
A section was added just yesterday at https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Package_group_guidelines
Thanks this is the starting point I'd expect to see for this kind of proposal
Four packages have been submitted in the direction of Factory very recently X11:Wayland/vulkan-*, more are to follow over time.
I think you also need to get buy in from the Yast team, Yast is openSUSE's package manager and if it is never going to support using tags in a meaningful way then personally I don't really see a whole lot of point in maintaining them.
Again, PackageHub, and (this was before I knew PackageHub had it too) the proof-of-concept browser, rpm-catalog.
Yast is but one drop. While it is a significant application in its own right, equally many people consider zypper to be openSUSE's "package manager" lest rpm is "the" package manager anyway.
Yep well i'd presume that the default package manager for those interested in searching for packages via group / tag would be yast, I don't expect people to need to install some other proof of concept tool. If the community does accept and adopt this "tag" based approach it would also be interesting to see stuff like software.o.o able to search via tag as that is another common way people search for packages.
I cannot make much of a hypothesis about how yast is used (for package dealings) these days. For _installation_, a number of people had left yast for alternate, installers like "smart" a couple of years ago because (among other things) yast's startup speed back then. After a small excursion through the motions, openSUSE had the zypp stack and everybody was happy again. This may have also driven _browsing_ users away from yast as a catalog browser, towards webpage-based catalogs (fueled by the increased availability of Internet too). It is my conjecture that ultimately, browser-based rendering is the more popular presentation than within yast-x11/yast-ncurses. The removal of the group browser from yast seems logical in that sense. But that does not invalidate the metadata that is buried somewhere which the now-web-based services still rely on. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org