Hi All, Since the dawn of time (well as long as I can be bothered going back) we have installed joe on most desktop systems via patterns, traditionally no one has really cared about this except for maybe the few people who use it, its 1.7Mb after all. That is until the last couple of months where we have had several questions about it, it turns out this is mostly because the latest version of joe installs 4 menu items via .desktop files. Traditionally in openSUSE unlike some other distro's we haven't had menu items for console applications currently our guidelines say "For the purposes of these guidelines, a GUI application is defined as any application which draws an X window and runs from within that window."[1] The gray area we have is how to interpret a desktop file that launches a commandline app in the terminal of your choice using the "Terminal=true" at the moment the only other apps on my system that do this without also having something like noshow set so they don't appear in menus is lftp and htop. Installing 4 joe desktop files for every isn't the best user experience ever so I'll likely remove it from the patterns if it keeps the desktop files but I don't really mind which or have an opinion on which solution would be better so I thought i'd open it up for discussion. 1. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Packaging_guidelines#Desktop_files -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B