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Re: [opensuse-factory] latest evolution 3.26.3-1.1 is NOT compatible with latest libwebkit2gtk-4_0-37 2.18.4-1.1
  • From: Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink <knurpht@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2018 18:21:39 +0100
  • Message-id: <2687441.2YrsOOle5D@knurpht-hp>
Op maandag 8 januari 2018 16:46:22 CET schreef Rainer Klier:
Am Montag, den 08.01.2018, 15:21 +0100 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger /
On Mon, 2018-01-08 at 14:13 +0000, Rainer Klier wrote:

ok, this means, in the future, whenever i try to update a single
package, and it again fails, then i have to disable
the other repos, so that only the tumbleweed repos are valid any more,
and then do a "zypper dup" to resolve the
"unknown" issue.
this will, of course, downgrade ALL the packages from other repos, where
packages from tumblewwed repos are older,
these have to be upgraded then again afterwards....

What other repos do you have enabled? Are you missing packages in TW or

some google repos (chrome, earth, musicmanager)
some microsoft repos (dotnet, powershell)
devel tools
games tools
gnome apps
KDE applications
KDE distro factory
KDE extra
KDE frameworks5
kernel standard
libreoffice factory
mono factory
mozilla factory
multimedia apps, libs and photo
x11 utilities
xorg factory
and some home: repos for some exotic packages

yes, i know, this is quite much.
yes, i know, i would/could also live with only the standard tumbleweed
yes, i know, updating becomes more complex with that many repos
but normally it works perfectly, and i have latest versions of everything i

before using tumbleweed i used 13.2.
and my first idea about tumbleweed was, that i have latest version of
opensuse, and latest packages available.
but not, that i always have to
update the WHOLE system......

do you track devel projects to be 'even faster with updates'?

i have only some repos where i want latest version of the packages they

If you miss packages, best to work with the current package maintainers
to get things into TW proper; if you have devel prjs added because you

i think most of the packages of the repos mentioned above will sooner or
later appear in new version also in TW repos.
but i want them, as soon as
they are built and available, and don't want to wait for them to appear in
TW repo..... and my opinion was, that this is exactly what TW is all
about.... i thought that this is the idea behind TW.

In essence: try to keep your repo list for TW as short as possible: not

yes, understood.

but it simply should not happen that when i cherry-pick in yast some package
from TW repo to be updated, that it
updates, does NOT show/warn me about a
conflict/dependency and then the application crashes.
in a package-manager-world this is the worst thing to happen.
this is the reason for using a package-manager, so that such situation can't

Best Regards | Freundliche Grüße | Cordialement | Cordiali Saluti |
Atenciosamente | Saludos Cordiales

DI Rainer Klier

Research & Development, DevOps


Namirial GmbH

You don't have to update the whole system, that's nonsense, you only update
the packages that are new in the newly released snapshot. O, stop, not
nonsense, it can happen, f.e. on a major gcc version upgrade where all
packages were rebuilt and appeared as updates. I think that happened twice in
the years that I've been running TW.

TW is released over and over again after openQA testing, but with only updated
packages, most packages don't chang at all, so will not have to be
reinstalled. Even more: if you enable f.e. the Packman repo, and perrform a
vendor change on it, i.e. tell zypper you want the packages available from
that repo, zypper has a default for TW ( --no-vendor-change ) that respects
that choice.
The devs have even added an extra warning when using 'zypper up', i.e. that
'zypper dup' should be used.

The openSUSE Project wants TW to be a rolling, yet always stable, release, for
which is used. Updated packages are not released until
they pass the tests ... A thing one is breaking by replacing the distro
packages by those from other repos. Given the current infrastructure and
people available it's impossible to include these repos into testing TW.

Re. repos: why add any KDE repo if TW mostly serves upstream packages within
24 hours ?
Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht

openSUSE Board Member
openSUSE Forums Team

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