On 04/22/2017 07:59 PM, Richard Brown wrote:
On 22 April 2017 at 12:24, Simon Lees
wrote: On 04/22/2017 07:15 PM, Richard Brown wrote:
On 22 April 2017 at 11:11, Luke Jones
wrote: Regarding the desktop selection process, I've spotted a few suggestions in other mails to this topic; - No Default - Do not change the ordering of the choices (this could spark another "war") - Provide guides in the install process which users can click on.
I like the above. In fact this could give openSUSE an edge as the first distro to provide a full offline installation medium with guides to desktop selection provided within the installer. The guides could be a button next to each selection [Details], which brings up a window of clickables that shows such things as; - what a clean default Desktop looks like, along with description of capabilities and/or highlights. + A list of the main default applications, each of which can be clicked, eg, as below. - what the default browser, office suite, and pdf viewer are plus concise descriptions of capabilities, - the default music player, video player, and perhaps image viewer are, along with concise details as above.
So basically highlight the main points of each default install selection for each desktop. It seems that if we cover the main applications and use cases in the suggested installer addition, then we could easily let new users decide what they might be comfortable with trying.
Would it be worth discussing the above in a new thread perhaps?
Kind regards, Luke Jones.
Yes, this sounds like a topic worthy of a new thread, here's the thread
I think the easiest way to implement this would probably be in adding a new 'Help Me Decide?' button to the Role Selection screen
That Help Me Decide button could then load up a separate window inside YaST, such as we already do with the Release Notes
It should be possible to have it somewhat 'rich' with fonts and graphics, maybe even HTML'y so easy for anyone to contribute to.
It's theoretically possible it could actually retrieve it's content remotely, like the Release Notes now do, which would make it even more contribution friendly and flexible considering Tumbleweed's desktop offerings will always be in a somewhat flexible state.
I also like this idea, although there's plenty of room in the current role selection screen if we wanted to do some of it there.
I'm a bit hesitant about fetching it remotely though especially on the DVD, based off experience in #suse on irc many of the people who still use the DVD do so because they have a wifi adapter thats not supported and that they can't really setup until post install, combined with not easily being able to use ethernet. Or they live in a country where internet access is still often quite limited and so maybe running the installer without a internet connection.
Really as a project we should be able to have something ready a month out from release or maybe even 2 if we want to translate it. I'm not saying this can't be done collaboratively on line, but like with other parts of the project we could just set a freeze date after which the contents are synced to the DVD for the last time. There is probably no reason (other then someone checking for typo's) why this couldn't be done pretty close to Gold Master date.
Well we have plenty of time until the release of Leap
Leap 42.3 is probably too far ahead for any of these changes we've been talking about, and it has a big enough change by introducing the Role Selection screen in the first place ;)
Your point does kind of fall apart when you don't think about Leap though - Tumbleweed doesn't have freeze dates, and I do not think we'd want to wait a month before introducing a new desktop just to ensure the help info for it gets translated.
So maybe the dream solution is to have both an online version and a static on-disk version.
Potentially, I was mostly thinking about the Leap DVD, because 1) On the net iso its going to potentially come from online anyway and 2) because if someone needs help at this point they should likely be using Leap not Tumbleweed anyway. Having said that you can make a fair argument that we should include it in tumbleweed as well so the installer is the same but I think the feature as a whole has more relevance in Leap. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B