Some of the posts belong to two categories: a) users using KDE and saying it’s good stuff b) users not using KDE and saying its bad stuff It seems one group is wrong. The question is just, is it a) or b) or both or none or just not that easy? I personally started with KDE3 and found it boring. Happily switched to KDE4 asap, it turned out to be unusable (system freezes). Switched to Gnome 2 and liked it but still used kate, okular, …. Gnome 3 was for me a real pain and I faked Gnome 2 behavior as long as I was able to do it. Then tried KDE 4 DE again and use it since then quite happy. There was a time I liked the Gnome tools (evince, gedit, gnome-terminal) especially as I got problems with the KDE tools. However the current trend for Gnome tools makes me use more KDE tools again. Unfortunately the once using KDE stuff and liking this stuff are not as loud as the other ones. From my side: Thanks a lot for KDE: Plasma, kate, okular, …. and thanks for the Gnome tools, thanks for openSUSE! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org