On 13 April 2017 at 17:34, Alejandro Bonilla
If anything, I'm more surprised that SUSE Linux Enterprise didn't switch back...
I disagree. I think GNOME makes the better sense for an Enterprise distributions
I would disagree as well. XFCE would be way better for SLES, and very likely SLED too.
As you replied to this with your @suse.com email address I will politely point out that your employers Product Management and Development teams think differently than you ;) Being a bit less of an asshole, I think XFCE is great, but has its own flaws when it comes to being a choice for an Enterprise distro Ultimately, I believe the biggest requirement for an enterprise distro is trust Can the distro provider (SUSE) rely on the DE provider (GNOME, XFCE, KDE) to be a viable partner to work alongside them for years and to produce stuff they can rely on for years I think KDE is deficient in this area, for all the reasons in the links I already cited above. I think XFCE is deficient in this area, because it's development cadence is way too slow, even for a conservative enterprise distribution - 2 years since it's last stable release, how on earth are SUSE going to be able to provide their customers with a modern userspace or even 'middle-space' (eg. systemd et al) when XFCE is moving that slow and probably requiring ancient versions of everything in the process?
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The REALLY short version of my opinion is:
I do not think the upstream KDE project is positioned, structured, and responsive in a way that makes sense for an Enterprise distribution.
I also think that the current offerings of the KDE project are not of sufficient quality to justify being the default in any community distribution, not even openSUSE.
Neither of my above opinions should be read imply any sort of negativity towards OUR KDE team. I have a very, very, very high level of respect, admiration, amazement, and more for our openSUSE KDE team.
Their exceptional efforts despite the hurdles in-front of them do not subtract from my opinion that KDE upstream makes things harder than necessary to live with them.
WOW, that was some confusing wording. Are they unresponsive and lack structure or are they amazing?
OUR KDE == Part of the upstream KDE, I’d hope.
With the way KDE works, no, not really For the purposes of this discussion I do not consider our openSUSE KDE team != Part of upstream KDE. Luca sorta is but AFAIK he isn't a maintainer of any part of KDE in practical terms. Call it cultural differences, result of community decisions, ivory tower mentality, or just a fact of life, but upstream KDE maintainers pretty much do their own thing, and our team is pretty much packaging, polishing, and altering what upstream KDE do. This isn't necessarily a criticism of how KDE upstream do their thing - lots of upstream projects work in a similar way, but when we're back to the 'requirements for an enterprise DE', that really undermines the whole 'able work with you for years' requirement.
And GNOME is ugly too. The entire thing needs to be dropped in a ditch.
See my earlier reminder ;) I sure hope your opinions on GNOME are not part of your SLES/SLED pitch as a Sales Engineer ;)
For openSUSE, I’d like to see a desktop without the wobbly graphics and the magic that once was cool and that now is just stupid, and a desktop that is well documented (which is lacking for all Distributions)
I actually consider GNOME exceptionally well documented, from https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/ covering what users need to know, to https://help.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/ for admins and https://developer.gnome.org/ for Devs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org