Rüdiger Meier wrote:
The key here is that you and your colleagues update your machines whenever YOU want. If another guy (your admin) would do this with your machines a few times per year overnight then you would probably know what I'm talking about.
We are happy to have control on our desktops and servers by ourselves, simply as our group has no admin and the central adminstration is not flexible enough for our needs.
I'd say _especially_ in science where you sometimes have to reproduce results from old papers, etc. it has a lot value for users that they maintain their most heavily used software by themselves (gnu-modules/virtualenv/anaconda/whatever). Much better than using randomly whatever comes with your distro. But to make such local installations usable/possible you have to give them an LTS distro. Otherwise their local installation will break on every distro upgrade.
I have the impression you don't understand. For our desktops we *don't want* an LTS with most of the time outdated versions. This is different from servers and clusters but we sit 40h/week in front of our desktops.
So if you are unhappy with your current mixed LTS/TW/colleagues machines, I'm sure you all could have it a lot easier if you all would use the same LTS distro, plus modules/virtualenv as described.
You missed the desktops: We have desktop distros (just me with TW) and LTS on servers/clusters. Currently we are happy. But I feel you want to remove a modern desktop distro without replacement.
like "why this is working for you but not for me" should be more seldom. Just ask your cluster admin for help or providing such modules. The reason is currently that either they have to use non-standard repos or build manually to have the cmake/python/gdb/... stuff that works for me on TW or I have to fight my TW because I cannot run the commercial Intel vTunes performance analyzer due to kernel incompatibilities.
My understanding is that having only TW and LTS Leap would mean that there is no modern desktop available most of the time.
Isn't TW up-to-date enough? It is, but in my eyes not necessarily robust enough for general broad
Once again, we *don't want* LTS desktop systems, simply for the reason that for our use cases it is good to have newest software. We prefer "newer" instead of "stable and old" for our desktops. productive desktop use. Fabian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org