6 Mar
2017
6 Mar
'17
12:45
On Sun, 05 Mar 2017 14:53:39 +0100 nicholaswrote: > On Sunday, 5 March 2017 14:18:36 CET L A Walsh wrote: > > Jan Engelhardt wrote: > > > On Friday 2017-03-03 06:34, Kyek, Andreas, Vodafone DE (External) > > > wrote: > > >> The "way" of systemd (doing a lot of tasks which were assigned > > >> to several dedicated tools before) is in my opinion not the > > >> "unix way". > > >> > > >> but please don't forget the "linux way" of having > > >> small simple specialist - like "cron". > > > > > > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html #6 > > > > ---- > > It's not modular at the program or package levels as the system > > before it was. The only modular features it has are at build time. > > > > From the perspective of non-developers, that is not modular as it > > isn't reconfigurable by non-developers nor on on systems without the > > necessary build tools. Developers are in the minority among all > > users. > > > > Claiming something is "modular" because you can reconfigure it at > > build time, > > is evidence of being out-of-touch with most users by a huge margin. > > > > At what point does being out-of-touch with the rest of society > > imply some type of sociopathology? > im finding your im just a "user" thing hard to buy > 1) why would a "user" want to change anything significanlty at the > level of architecture Because I want to use another piece of software for the functionality > 2) whats easier impliment systemd unit or your own init scripts (and > to do so reliably) The latter. There are many good initscript examples and many bad systemd service examples. > 3) which gives the most transparent and clean monitoring tools cron/sysvinit. You monitor your system processes the same way as your user processes regardless of init system involved. > 4) as a "user" is it not easier to move between distributions with > systemd? Not at all. I have to diff the user scripts *and* the system scripts. Because the user-modified service might depend on some system services which might not be present or implemented differently on different systems. > 5) if the definition of modular is a jumble of scripts you > are correct Both systemd and sysvinit become jumble of scripts over time. No appreciable difference there. > 6) another name for someone out of touch with the > confusion of the masses is a visionary And so when you meet one you have to check the vision against reality and not run off the cliff as a lemming when the vision calls for that. Michal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org