I only use "zypper up" to update Tumbleweed, because I also have other repositories like Education and KDE:Extra and obviously Packman. A "zypper dup" would install packages from the "dupped" repository, where I want to keep them from the other repositories. The drawback is apparently that obsolete packages are not removed. So I found a lot of packages using "zypper se -is" having (System Packages) as their origin, which means they are no longer available in a repository. A lot of these packages have numbers in their names which are increased in packages with the same name and are also installed, so these can be removed. I use "zypper rm -u" to remove them. Other packages had versions that were lower than the installed packages, so I downgraded these packages. Currently I do not have any package with an indication (System Packages). This is just for your information to keep your Tumbleweed system neat. -- fr.gr. member openSUSE Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org