Hi Alessandro,
On 4 May 2015 at 07:18, Alessandro Russo
We're not against Plasma 5.3, we only want to a have the choice to continue using kde 4 until all the showstopper bugs are fixed.
I don't think you understand the *huge* amount of work you are asking for when you request KDE 4 in parallel with Plasma 5 This isn't a simple case of 'oh, you don't need to touch what you've done in the past, just do new stuff in parallel' Keeping any desktop environment working in any Linux distribution is a herculean effort, especially when you consider the requirements of maintenance updates, security, and ongoing integration In the case of KDE 4 vs 5, the situation is even more complex as you have to factor in the upstream projects way they're handling the transition. If KDE were maintaining KDE 4 in parallel to 5, then for us in openSUSE it would be easy, we'd be in a position to their their still maintained KDE 4 stuff and slide it alongside the new shiny KDE 5 stuff But that's not how it is (and I don't think that's a bad thing). The reality is, the KDE upstream project is no longer maintainer KDE 4. Do you know what that means for our KDE team in openSUSE? If they want to do what you ask, they'd have to do a ton more work just to keep KDE 4 at the level of quality you're expecting. As things move in Tumbleweed, they'd have a harder and harder time keeping KDE 4 working, integrated with the rest of the stack, and this would be a huge expense in terms of their personal time and effort - This would be time and effort they wouldn't be able to spend on helping make Plasma 5 better, so it's basically a 'dead end', it might ease the pain for a short period of time, but eventually you'd end up in the same place, and Plasma 5 would probably not be as good as it could be in the same time, so it really would solve nothing for openSUSE's users in the long run Our KDE team have spent a huge amount of thought on trying to handle this transition in the best way for everyone, themselves, upstream KDE, and our users. They waited until Plasma 5.3 because they think this is the time it's ready to be used, maybe not for every corner case, maybe not every old feature, maybe people need to learn new things and try our different stuff, but it's a judgement call which they worked on very hard, for a very long time, in order to provide openSUSE with the best KDE experience they can provide I understand change is scary, but the best way of dealing with that is getting involved and helping steer the change in the direction you want. If you really, really, really, think KDE 4 needs to somehow be maintained for longer, then find people to help you make that happen, but I don't think that will be the opensuse-kde team, they looked at it, hard, discussed it harder, and made this decision based on the knowledge, expertise, and experience which they've built up as a very long time. Also, please try your best to understand & respect the huge amount of effort our opensuse-kde Team have put into this move before writing emails that can be construed as 'stop everything, we don't want change, everything you've been working on for ages is a bad idea', because there is nothing more demotivating, and a demotivated opensuse-kde team that's not firing on all cylinders doing awesome work will ultimately hurt KDE on openSUSE far worse than some desktop rough edges when 5.3 hits Tumbleweed Thanks, Richard. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org