-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/11/2014 01:49 AM, Michal Kubecek wrote:
On Saturday 09 of August 2014 06:09:14 Robert Schweikert wrote:
So, my appeal to all. Please stop the systemd bashing, it leads nowhere. If there is a bug in systemd that annoys you, file the bug or go fix it, be constructive. If because of 1 in the 7000+ packages in Factory the openSUSE distribution no longer meets your needs or your stability expectations then so be it.
The problem is it's not one package. In the name of systemd, the whole system is being redesigned and reworked in order to make the other options stop working.
This implies malicious intend. I doubt that anyone makes any changes with the intent to break something else.
I've found numerous cases where changes have been done to other packages that don't help systemd and systemd systems at all but only break non-systemd systems. And then I keep reading these "if you want to provide an alternative, you are welcome to do so" appeals. It's frustrating and I really feel like I'm being mocked on purpose.
Sorry you feel this way. In the end it is up to each package maintainer to decide which SRs to accept and which ones to decline. If there is a pending SR that removes sysV init support and makes systemd the only support than it is up to the package maintainer to decide if this is OK or not. If upstream code changes occur that make the use of another init system impractical, might require extra patches in the package, it is again up to the package maintainer to decide whether that maintainer wants to carry those patches in the package or not. If upstream makes it impossible to use a different init system then blaming the package maintainer is a bit like shooting the messenger. We have a number of lets say "structural" issues in the project that are underlying a number of things that get repeated in the systemd context but are really only tangentially related. There is a large number of package maintainers that let SRs linger for a long time, more than a week. What happens next is that project maintainers often take a look at he SR and if it looks OK technically they accept it. This may have undesired side effects that only the package maintainer knows about, but since the package maintainer didn't get it done everyone has to live with the consequences. We, all of us, have to work out a way to reduce the friction in this area. There may be some tooling help that might make things better, but someone has to do the work. It is also not necessarily fair to expect a maintainer to maintain code for multiple init systems when the distribution init system is systemd. Later, Robert - -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead Public Cloud Architect rjschwei@suse.com rschweik@ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT6LwvAAoJEE4FgL32d2UkKk4IAKk04tUuab570rJi8Yk/LNCS AuGn1yTtNq60TMdQ5Y3ouPydHIykc6eYAkMYf+GrT28G9a6fZAfvnNzaHMd8orzb tyqeZEq4LY7/iZKs0M3tZ57hwa6fAlCu1vJ3HK3BF+qwaSCRxwXoOgZq3ZRTv5tM qW+SzNcE1sRvsJqiCcapV8eLJL/s3FdFt3zFiy7eQ7irh5tKloE7AVEnCs7IapZ7 SOtq2yfTfjcR9shNjKsoNfoyNI2luQ5cKzzrBFoCTWNXZVEFlKJQIqcChWozWLb0 mQNmXbvDnMDFeZJoAHBWqXXWsAyurWHTnYnpafr1UgSAFH0ihMlrNoh6s54Obb4= =5qsQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org