On 07/18/2014 09:14 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
As a rolling distro, I can't see Factory as the apropos name it was. It's now just an assembly plant, not a manufacturing plant, roughly equivalent to Fedora's post-branching TS builds. IMO, Tumbleweed, or something entirely different, ought to be the name applied going forward to the rolling release Factory.
No longer will Factory be a good way to discover bugs, since ostensibly all but inconsequential or undiscoverable bugs have been squashed before acceptance of newer versions from BS into Factory.
Automated testing through openQA can only catch the most obvious bugs that result in a system that cannot be installed or in which very basic applications fail to start. Believe me, there are still a lot of bugs in Factory waiting to be squashed. Machines are good at repetitive work (like testing an insane number of combinations of configuration options or installing the whole thing over and over) butI would say that openSUSE testers are more excited about catching more subtle things. Factory is still a funny place for human testers, specially those who want to tests specific things and not to find out every day if the whole thing has exploded again.
What the name "Factory" ought to be now is (a) recommended collection(s) of BS repos designed to do one of the things the old Factory did, enable user-testers to find the problems the builders missed or couldn't have found using the hardware at their disposal.
I would say that the target audience of Factory is now a little bit broader, but is still the right option for openSUSE packagers and developers as well as for testers.
Even without any name changing going forward, there still needs to be something describing a or several recommended BS repo collection(s) for those wishing to remain testers, at least a wiki page with a suitable name nicely describing what it's for, so people so desiring can continue to do everything they had been doing with Factory past (and still can with such as Cauldron, Rawhide or Sid).
You can run something more close to the previous Factory if you like by running factory-totest. Instructions are also in the Factory portal https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Factory_installation Cheers. -- Ancor González Sosa openSUSE Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org