On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 09:09:45AM -0500, Robert Schweikert wrote:
On 12/11/2013 06:00 AM, Antonio Larrosa wrote:
Hi all,
We got lots of feedback from you all, also on the process. Many did not appreciate the long and complicated emails. We discussed this in the team and Tomáš Chvátal told us how Gentoo shares a nicely documented change process with Python and Debian already. Essentially, they use a standardized document which ensures that whenever something has to be discussed, all information is there right at the start. This shortens discussions, avoids bikeshedding (see [1]) and afterwards you have a nice stash of proper proposals in archive.
The proposal is essentially based off of the Python document, simplified and adapted to openSUSE. It does not change how decisions are made or by who, just speeds up the process, keeps the discussions clean and documents their results thus avoiding future flames. We think it would be great for openSUSE to adapt them.
Attached to this mail there's a draft with a recursive OSEP in the proper, proposed form, let us know what you think ;-)
Note that the draft we made only proposes to use this for big changes to our process, not technical things like replacing sysvinit with systemd.
FYI, Agustin has written on our team blog about the proposals, giving an overview of what's out: http://lizards.opensuse.org/?p=10230
-- The openSUSE Team
[1] http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2011/09/bikeshedding-and-cls.html
Do we really need to discuss yet another topic that is only tangentially related to the things we have already started, release cycle, openQA, and changes to Factory?
I think this can wait until some of the other basic stuff is sorted out.
Or to postpone the already running discussions and restart them in a new process? I meant, despite my willingness, I have failed to follow all the topics and discussions have happened at various places. So atm I have no clue what is happening in this project. Having something more clear from the beggining would be very valuable, so I am for a restart as there is probably nothing more than a few weeks, we will lose.
We really do not have to discuss all the topics at the same time.
<joke>You MUST propose an OSEP about accepted number of topics discussed at the same time ;-)</joke> Regards Michal Vyskocil