* Yamaban
On Thu, 16 May 2013 10:16, Linda Walsh
wrote: Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 15/05/13 09:02, Yamaban escribió:
Word of warning: Until you PROVE that E17 runs as fast and lean as LXDE on OLD (pentium1, 512mb) hardware, such a statement will get you scrores of enemies.
That is non-sense, I strongly object that we spend any sleep or human resources attempting to cater to the "pentium 1 , 512 mb" use-case. A phone probably has more computing power than that these days.
You don't understand the implications of that statement -- IT is not that it can run well on a [sic?] pentium 1? (rats ass) ...etc, but that it will run in a fraction of the resources as any other ..
If you have a heavily loaded machine or a server and you want lightweight pieces that are just a notable bit better than xterm, this fits the bill.
Another use case -- remote access where lightweight communications (not eyecandy as E17 has more of), can really make or break usability. I wouldn't be adverse to seeing E17 -- but I was part serious when I said let it compete and take the place of one of the big desktops -- ONLY on the 'demo' CD -- you'd get alot more bang for your buck if you eliminated one of those, but eliminating the low-resource/fastest one you will be changing people's perceptions of OpenSuse as not being "as able" to support the low end.
A common themed death knell among computer manufacturers was the retreat to the high end where they could get away with higher margins and more waste. I don't see that it would be that different in the open-linux environment...
I'll add to this: what runs more than "acceptable" on such small x86 hardware, has a more than decent chance run well on ARMv7, which, with respect to low-end tablets, low- to mid-end smartphones, and "le gasp" homeservers / mirco-computers (pogoplug, rasberry-pi, beagleboard, etc.).
A prognosis: within max 5 years ARM (at least ARMv8 aka arm64) will be a first class member for linux distros.
Now, do You want openSUSE to be one of the first to offer a full (incl. GUI [X11 / Wayland]), or one of the last, if at all.
Not everybody has the money, room, or time to invest in ARM hw just for play right now, but such a "limited" Virtual PC is possible for most devs.
ARMv7 is several orders of a magnitude apart from the performance of a pentium1 such a comparison does not make any sense. In fact it is capable of running "heavyweight" DEs such as Xfce (which is currently featured in the openSUSE ARM port), KDE (which is making efforts to support ARM devices such as tablets), or E17 (the base of Samsung's Tizen which targets Phones, TVs etc.). So I don't se what your point is. -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org