Using openSUSE 12.3 here. When I replace rsyslog with systemd's journal $ sudo zypper -v in systemd-logger -rsyslog -syslog-service the rsyslogd daemon keeps running after the package uninstall. Is this right? Should not RPM %service_del_preun macro run "systemctl stop" on it? Zypper output: Verbosity: 1 Non-option program arguments: 'systemd-logger' '-rsyslog' '-syslog-service' Initializing Target Checking whether to refresh metadata for openSUSE-12.3-Non-Oss Checking whether to refresh metadata for openSUSE-12.3-Oss Checking whether to refresh metadata for openSUSE-12.3-Update Checking whether to refresh metadata for openSUSE-12.3-Update-Non-Oss Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Force resolution: No Selecting 'systemd-logger-195-13.18.1.x86_64' from repository 'openSUSE-12.3-Update' for installation. Selecting 'rsyslog-7.2.5-2.2.1.x86_64' for removal. Selecting 'syslog-service-2.0-768.2.1.noarch' for removal. Resolving package dependencies... Force resolution: No The following NEW package is going to be installed: systemd-logger 195-13.18.1 The following packages are going to be REMOVED: rsyslog 7.2.5-2.2.1 syslog-service 2.0-768.2.1 1 new package to install, 2 to remove. Overall download size: 90.7 KiB. After the operation, 1.8 MiB will be freed. Continue? [y/n/?] (y): committing Retrieving package systemd-logger-195-13.18.1.x86_64 (1/1), 90.7 KiB ( 1.6 KiB unpacked) Retrieving: systemd-logger-195-13.18.1.x86_64.rpm [.done] (1/3) Installing: systemd-logger-195-13.18.1 [......done] (2/3) Removing rsyslog-7.2.5-2.2.1 [....done] (3/3) Removing syslog-service-2.0-768.2.1 [....done] committingCommitResult (total 3, done 3, error 0, skipped 0, updateMessages 0) Checking for running processes using deleted libraries... There are some running programs that use files deleted by recent upgrade. You may wish to restart some of them. Run 'zypper ps' to list these programs. $ sudo zypper ps The following running processes use deleted files: PID | PPID | UID | Login | Command | Service | Files -----+------+-----+-------+---------+---------+------------------------------- 1522 | 0 | 0 | root | rs:main | | /usr/lib64/rsyslog/lmnet.so | | | | | | /usr/lib64/rsyslog/immark.so | | | | | | /usr/lib64/rsyslog/imuxsock.so | | | | | | /usr/lib64/rsyslog/imklog.so | | | | | | /usr/sbin/rsyslogd (deleted) You may wish to restart these processes. See 'man zypper' for information about the meaning of values in the above table. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org