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Re: [opensuse-factory] HALLO - ANYBODY OUT THERE? [WAS About the Live CDs (PLEASE READ)]
On 13/06/12 19:37, C wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Basil Chupin <blchupin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The use of USB sticks is really not something to be seriously considered.
Not everyone has the ability to use this medium.
The other side of the coin... I cannot use CD on any of my computers
as none of the laptops have a CD/DVD player. My main PC had a DVD
player, but no longer. For my computers, USB is the only way for me
to install any OS including Windows.

So.. not everyone has the ability to use a CD :-)

And you are unable to install a DVDRW on any of those laptops or even your PC which had one so there is no reason why you couldn't re-install it?

There is little difference in downloading an iso which is ~800MB big which
can be burnt onto a SL DVD to one which is ~740MB and intended to be burnt
onto a CD.
This is probably the key point here. Keep the ISO as small as
reasonably possible, but don't focus so much time and effort on
keeping it under 700MB. The only "risk" would be size creep. 790MB
now.. in one year 850Mb and so on. But even that is a non-issue in
the long run.

Really, we're arguing about a meaningless label... calling a 800MB ISO
a USB ISO or a small DVD ISO or a CD Plus ISO... does it matter? Call
it Bob the ISO.... it comes down to size. Allow it to be 800MB, call
is the openSUSE Live Linux or something.. ... and then people burn it
to a SL DVD or write it to USB stick.. the result is the same.

If it only concerned you or me then there would be no problems in what you called it.

But you are dealing with ordinary punters off the street who understand that a CD is a CD and that it will not accept more then xMB of data.

However, these same punters are aware that there are 2 types of DVDs - the SL and the DL.

OK, for that matter, then call the CDPlus/CD+ a "SL-DVD" and be done with it.

If we call it a USB ISO does that mean you cannot burn it to a SL DVD?
No... so what's the issue here?

Again you only see the world thru a narrow slit :-) . You are not taking into account the knowledge or the abilities of ordinary punters. *YOU* may know how to burn an USB ISO to a DVD and *I* may know this but how are you going to tell the punter in the street on how to do it? via a wiki I guess. And who is going to write such a wiki? (I need a magnifying glass to be able to read anything written in any of the current wiki pages, BTW :-( .)

And just to add to this, how many people do you know who actually read wikis or manuals or instructions or release notes? :-)

Normal people just shove a CD or a DVD into a drive and "let it rip". If the thing doesn't boot or come up with the LIVE display - "this stupid distro is ratshit and I should have followed Joe's advice and gone Ubuntu!".

Any thinking person of any consequence wants to comment on what I suggested?
Thinking person? You're making a big assumption there. Ha. We're too
busy arguing to sort anything out.

At least you responded...... :-) .

Chalk one up on the side of the blackboard with the heading "Thinking persons" :-)


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